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You’re a braver man than I Chad lol. Then again I I don’t mind paying money to people who know more about my car than I do lol.
 
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You’re a braver man than I Chad lol. Then again I I don’t mind paying money to people who know more about my car than I do lol.
I would have paid somebody too—I wanted to, but I couldn’t find anybody I felt good about. The only place I’d trust that’s not 10 hours away from me is booked up for a year, though. The good places always are. I trust myself more than the mom and pop performance shops that are near me. One relatively local place that came highly recommended scoffed at doing a gear swap and dyno tuning my 2018 GT in late 2020, saying it was too new for him, so I didn’t even bother asking about my 21. I may not be an expert, but I can read a damn service manual. Lol. I work on equipment that costs 3 times what this car costs, so I got over the pucker factor a long time ago.
 
In California they barely lead us drive ice cars anymore at all! Even if I wanted to attempt these mods, it would be far out of my comfort zone. As a side note, our gas now easily exceeds $6 per gallon.

In any event, nice-looking parks and work!
 
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Paging @Catmonkey . What do you think of how the belt looks here? You have a lot more experience with blowers than I do. This Claw thing has absolutely zero instructions with it, so I had to figure this out for myself. This screenshot from a video clip was the closest thing I could find to a belt routing diagram with this thing in circuit.

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I measured with a wire like the Holley guide says and came up with 69 7/8”. That’s so close to the factory belt, I decided to give it a try. I adjusted the Claw idlers where I thought the VMP video shows, and the factory belt looks pretty damn good to me. I have excellent belt wrap on the blower pulley and the balancer, and the tensioner is almost exactly where it rests with everything stock. What do you think?

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Got the blower, lid, intercooler brick, fuel injectors, and the Claw idler bracket thing installed.

Here are a few progress pics.

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Here’s the factory brick vs the VMP 95mm for comparison.

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Here’s my VMP Predator Claw System install.

Since VMP doesn’t feel the need to include instructions with this thing, here’s what I did.

Important!!

Don’t do what I did and put the claw pulleys on backwards. Go to the bottom of this post and look at the 2 pictures I just added. The pulleys aren’t symmetrical. Their offset is different depending on whether you face the snap ring side in or out. The correct orientation is snap ring side out. If you install them the other way, the water pump pulley will hit the lower claw pulley. Doh!


You need to remove the water pump pulley first, then the factory idler pulley that sits by the blower pulley, and the 3 factory bolts and one stud indicated by the arrows.

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Use the factory stud at the top and the 4 hex head bolts included with the kit to mount the bracket. Torque the bolts to 18 ft pounds plus 60 degrees, per the service manual for the front cover. I used blue loctite on all bolts.

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Install the lower idler pulley included with the claw in the lowest hole at the bottom of the bracket and torque to 18 ft pounds. I’m just using the torque spec for other factory pulleys with 15mm head bolts. I also used blue loctite.

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Reinstall the water pump pulley and torque to 18 ft pounds. Install the top pulley and adjust it where you like it. See my pics a couple posts up for where I put it. I’m using the factory 70.27” belt on mine, and it looks perfect to me, part # 8PK1790.

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This is the correct way to install the pulleys, snap ring side out.

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Paging @Catmonkey . What do you think of how the belt looks here? You have a lot more experience with blowers than I do. This Claw thing has absolutely zero instructions with it, so I had to figure this out for myself. This screenshot from a video clip was the closest thing I could find to a belt routing diagram with this thing in circuit.

I measured with a wire like the Holley guide says and came up with 69 7/8”. That’s so close to the factory belt, I decided to give it a try. I adjusted the Claw idlers where I thought the VMP video shows, and the factory belt looks pretty damn good to me. I have excellent belt wrap on the blower pulley and the balancer, and the tensioner is almost exactly where it rests with everything stock. What do you think?
Did you check their website? I know that they typically post instructions there, when they have them. The critical piece I'd focus on is the position of the tensioner with everything in place. You want it clocked pretty much like it came with the factory belt. A little variance either way won't make much difference. Tighter is probably better than looser, but that looks like pretty good belt wrap. What I can't see is the idler for the balancer belt. You want that idler on the lower hole of the claw, but it seems you know that. There are two holes for that lower idler and the higher bolt hole would be for an oversized balancer (10-20%). I'm sort of amazed the factory belt works as well as it seems to. Great write up.
 
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Did you check their website? I know that they typically post instructions there, when they have them. The critical piece I'd focus on is the position of the tensioner with everything in place. You want it clocked pretty much like it came with the factory belt. A little variance either way won't make much difference. Tighter is probably better than looser, but that looks like pretty good belt wrap. What I can't see is the idler for the balancer belt. You want that idler on the lower hole of the claw, but it seems you know that. There are two holes for that lower idler and the higher bolt hole would be for an oversized balancer (10-20%). I'm sort of amazed the factory belt works as well as it seems to. Great write up.
Yeah, there’s nothing but a link to that video where I took the screenshot on their website.
The video isn’t an installation video. It’s just a product announcement. The tensioner is pointing pretty much exactly where it was when the car was stock. The breaker bar I used in the 3/8 drive tensioner hole was clocked almost exactly where it was stock. This picture sort of shows it, but I know it’s hard to tell exactly from a picture due to perspective and lens distortion.

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Here’s after.

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What you don't want is no or very little play if you put a bar on the tensioner and push it clockwise. The tensioner is going to bounce around when the engine is running and if it can't move, something is going to break. It seems to be that Ford positions it's tensioners so they're parallel to the ground when properly adjusted.

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What you don't want is no or very little play if you put a bar on the tensioner and push it clockwise. The tensioner is going to bounce around when the engine is running and if it can't move, something is going to break. It seems to be that Ford positions it's tensioners so they're parallel to the ground when properly adjusted.

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It’s really hard to get a good picture since it’s so close to the radiator, but it’s as close to parallel with the ground as it can get. When you put a digital protractor on a breaker bar inserted into the tensioner 3/8 drive hole, it’s basically 90 degrees. You can’t really directly measure it since the arm on the tensioner tapers down. It’s definitely closer to the belt coming up from the balancer than in the VMP video, but they were using a 20% overdrive balancer and the upper claw hole in the video. I’m using the bottom hole and stock balancer. I don’t think there’s any danger of belt rubbing. I’ve never seen a serpentine belt stretch appreciably.

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Knowing how belt sizes run, I don't know that you're going to get it any closer than that.
Yeah, I was thinking of trying a half inch shorter belt to get a little more clearance by the tensioner, but I’m not 100% sure the belt I think is 1/2” shorter really is. The specs are all over the place and sometimes contradictory unless you’re buying the same brand and line. I think I’m going to just run it for a bit and make sure I don’t have any issues after it runs for a while and everything settles in.
 
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Got the car just about completely back together. Just waiting on an AN wrench to tighten the intercooler block fittings, and then I need to add coolant and replace the strut tower brace once I ensure I don’t have any coolant leaks, vacuum leaks etc. I sent the tune request form in to VMP. It said 3-5 business days when I submitted the form. Really hope they’re faster than that. I’d really like to be able to start the car.

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It may be more work than you want to do at this point just to run it temporarily, but you could put the stock injectors back in. You can run and drive the car while you wait on the tune. I'd just stay out of boost if you do take it on the road. When you're confident all the coolant levels are topped off and there are no leaks or other issues, swap the big injectors back in and wait on the tune to arrive.
 
Got the car just about completely back together. Just waiting on an AN wrench to tighten the intercooler block fittings, and then I need to add coolant and replace the strut tower brace once I ensure I don’t have any coolant leaks, vacuum leaks etc. I sent the tune request form in to VMP. It said 3-5 business days when I submitted the form. Really hope they’re faster than that. I’d really like to be able to start the car.

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:love: Looks Fantastic Chad.
 
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It may be more work than you want to do at this point just to run it temporarily, but you could put the stock injectors back in. You can run and drive the car while you wait on the tune. I'd just stay out of boost if you do take it on the road. When you're confident all the coolant levels are topped off and there are no leaks or other issues, swap the big injectors back in and wait on the tune to arrive.
Yeah, I’m too lazy to rip everything apart again. I think I’ll just wait for VMP to get the tune ready. It’s pouring rain for the next couple days, so it’s not like I’m going to drive the car, anyway.

I’m about to pull my hair out getting the stock ECM and TCM read on this HPT software. First time I did it I had it set to read them both in one session. VMP’s help page tells you in the NEXT step the GT500 is different—you read the ECM first and the TCM in a separate session. So I start the 20+ minute session over, and the car reboots from my low lithium battery. I rip out the lithium and temporarily stick the stock batt back in, and my wife calls me, causing me to move the computer so I could see it from the passenger side when I went to grab my phone. Now the USB cable beeps and disconnects. Lol. Now I’m at attempt, what, 52? Lol. 1:31 left on the ECM read…
 
Yeah, I’m too lazy to rip everything apart again. I think I’ll just wait for VMP to get the tune ready. It’s pouring rain for the next couple days, so it’s not like I’m going to drive the car, anyway.

I’m about to pull my hair out getting the stock ECM and TCM read on this HPT software. First time I did it I had it set to read them both in one session. VMP’s help page tells you in the NEXT step the GT500 is different—you read the ECM first and the TCM in a separate session. So I start the 20+ minute session over, and the car reboots from my low lithium battery. I rip out the lithium and temporarily stick the stock batt back in, and my wife calls me, causing me to move the computer so I could see it from the passenger side when I went to grab my phone. Now the USB cable beeps and disconnects. Lol. Now I’m at attempt, what, 52? Lol. 1:31 left on the ECM read…
Be sure to hook a battery charger to the battery. Low voltage can kill computers when doing this stuff.
 
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Be sure to hook a battery charger to the battery. Low voltage can kill computers when doing this stuff.
That’s probably what happened with the lithium batt. I had my Ctek 4.3 amp plugged in, and it still dropped about 1% every couple minutes. Once a lithium hits about 80%, it’s done. There’s quite a bit of draw when you’re reading stock files. It even turns the electric intercooler pump on the entire time. I don’t think the Ctek could keep up, and lithium batts have a lot less reserve than lead acid, even though they advertise otherwise.

My lead acid stock battery worked fine for the entire 45 minutes or so the reads took just hooked to a 5A battery tender.
 
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I had a real adventure getting the stock files to read due to battery issues, a flakey USB port, and some incorrect instructions on the VMP site, but I finally got it done with some help from Mike at VMP. He got my tune finished for me today, which I definitely didn’t expect. I haven’t gotten to drive it yet since the roads are wet, but it’s supposed to be sunny for the next week. No leaks, no odd behavior, no bad noises. It idles exactly like it did stock.

Here’s a clip from the first start with a couple quick revs. My wife didn’t want me to post this. She says I sound like a retard. I said stupid is as stupid does. Lol. The sound is just WICKED. It shrieks now. It’s actually a lot louder than it sounds in the clip.

 
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