[Catmonkey]

Who’s fear mongering? People are posting their distrust with the plastic filter and buying up the FL2087’s.

Juan showed photos of his engine damage from the FL2087-A. I guess he’s not believable because he didn’t post the photo of the filter? 😂🤷🏽‍♂️

I think it’s enough for me not to try them. YMMV let us know how it works for you.

Juan never said they installed the A filter. He said they installed the wrong filter. That could be anything. The A filter is not the wrong filter, it's the current filter Ford manufactures to replace the FL2087. We don't know Juan and we don't know when his engine blew or why, but he did say it took Ford 3 months to decide to warranty. The A filter has only been around since June and it damaged an engine and already repaired? I can think of a dozen causes for what we see in that oil pan. In fact, WTF is this in his spark plug hole. This wasn't caused by an oil filter.

I'm sure 90% of oil filters on the market today have a built in bypass. It's there to allow oil to circulate if there's too much oil pressure to go through the filter media. It's a mechanical thing. It might be because the oil is too thick because it's cold and combined with too many rpm or someone doesn't change their oil all that often. Just because oil doesn't get filtered is not causation for engine damage. This looks like oil starvation to me. Can the wrong oil filter cause complete blockage of oil pressure or severely limit flow? I don't know. But, I'm highly skeptical this resulted from a FL2087-A without some proof.

So before this too becomes internet fact, I thought I'd throw that out there.

 

[Rp930]

Juan never said they installed the A filter. He said they installed the wrong filter. That could be anything. The A filter is not the wrong filter, it's the current filter Ford manufactures to replace the FL2087. We don't know Juan and we don't know when his engine blew or why, but he did say it took Ford 3 months to decide to warranty. The A filter has only been around since June and it damaged an engine and already repaired? I can think of a dozen causes for what we see in that oil pan. In fact, WTF is this in his spark plug hole. This wasn't caused by an oil filter.

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I'm sure 90% of oil filters on the market today have a built in bypass. It's there to allow oil to circulate if there's too much oil pressure to go through the filter media. It's a mechanical thing. It might be because the oil is too thick because it's cold and combined with too many rpm or someone doesn't change their oil all that often. Just because oil doesn't get filtered is not causation for engine damage. This looks like oil starvation to me. Can the wrong oil filter cause complete blockage of oil pressure or severely limit flow? I don't know. But, I'm highly skeptical this resulted from a FL2087-A without some proof.

So before this too becomes internet fact, I thought I'd throw that out there.

Post #167 Juan said it was a Fram filter.

 

[SeabeeGT500]

To all, when I come across the pick of the FL2087-A that was installed on my car and I had to wait 3 months for a new engine, I’ll post it. In the meantime I won’t take another chance on placement of another A and I’ll get all the 2087’s I can. Won’t be because of fear mongering, it’ll be because I was sitting 3 months with no Shelby. We can all go back and forth on this if whether it will or won’t collapse but for my sake I’m not gonna take that chance again. So wish the best to those who use em and surely hope neither of you have to go through what I went through. Enjoy your Shelbys and God Bless everyone.

 

[Rp930]

To all, when I come across the pick of the FL2087-A that was installed on my car and I had to wait 3 months for a new engine, I’ll post it. In the meantime I won’t take another chance on placement of another A and I’ll get all the 2087’s I can. Won’t be because of fear mongering, it’ll be because I was sitting 3 months with no Shelby. We can all go back and forth on this if whether it will or won’t collapse but for my sake I’m not gonna take that chance again. So wish the best to those who use em and surely hope neither of you have to go through what I went through. Enjoy your Shelbys and God Bless everyone.

So it was not a Fram? I didn’t go back and read all 300+ posts.

Also was the correct oil used? Viscosity?

 

[Catmonkey]

To all, when I come across the pick of the FL2087-A that was installed on my car and I had to wait 3 months for a new engine, I’ll post it. In the meantime I won’t take another chance on placement of another A and I’ll get all the 2087’s I can. Won’t be because of fear mongering, it’ll be because I was sitting 3 months with no Shelby. We can all go back and forth on this if whether it will or won’t collapse but for my sake I’m not gonna take that chance again. So wish the best to those who use em and surely hope neither of you have to go through what I went through. Enjoy your Shelbys and God Bless everyone.

So it was not a Fram? I didn’t go back and read all 300+ posts.

He said the Ford dealer installed a Fram filter from Autozone shortly after he bought the car. Fram does not make the FL2087A, or an equivalent. I just went to Fram's website and did a search for my car and no oil filter options came up. They make at least 7 different filters in that configuration. Similar cartridge filters are used throughout Ford's Ecoboost line up. None of the dozen or so filters among filter manufacturers for the Ecoboost shows as an application for the GT500, although they will technically fit in the housing.

This whole mess started when a filter spec'd for the GT350 collapsed in a GT500 in endurance testing and the FL2087 was developed. For what ever reason, Ford decided to replace the FL2087 with the FL2087-A and anyone is free to run the original if you can find it, but eventually they will be sold out if they haven't already. Will you stop driving your Shelby if you can't find a FL2087?

But to start rumors that the A filter has or is already causing engine failures is fear mongering absent some sort of proof is just what I think I'm seeing here. Juan's circumstance does not appear to be that proof. I'm not all that confident in the A filter as I have 6 of the FL2087 set aside for future oil changes, but I'm willing to give it a chance of success.

 

[SeabeeGT500]

My last comment on this. I did state it was a Fram but after my car went from a Ford dealership back to a Dodge dealership I bought it from and finally ending up at another Ford dealership that did know what they were talking about and said it was an A filter. I did go through what I have experienced with my car. So yes I have bought up a stock of the 2087’s and have plenty to sale…starting bid $100 a piece 😂. Yeah right, they are all mine. I personally won’t take a chance with the A’s…1. I didn’t buy my first Shelby to have my engine go out, 2. I will be safe and not experience this again and finally I will go enjoy my car.
So stay safe everyone and may those who use the A’s may you not have to experience engine failure.

 

[Rp930]

My last comment on this. I did state it was a Fram but after my car went from a Ford dealership back to a Dodge dealership I bought it from and finally ending up at another Ford dealership that did know what they were talking about and said it was an A filter. I did go through what I have experienced with my car. So yes I have bought up a stock of the 2087’s and have plenty to sale…starting bid $100 a piece 😂. Yeah right, they are all mine. I personally won’t take a chance with the A’s…1. I didn’t buy my first Shelby to have my engine go out, 2. I will be safe and not experience this again and finally I will go enjoy my car.
So stay safe everyone and may those who use the A’s may you not have to experience engine failure.

Thanks for the clarification. A picture would be great if you have one.

 

[Catmonkey]

My last comment on this. I did state it was a Fram but after my car went from a Ford dealership back to a Dodge dealership I bought it from and finally ending up at another Ford dealership that did know what they were talking about and said it was an A filter. I did go through what I have experienced with my car. So yes I have bought up a stock of the 2087’s and have plenty to sale…starting bid $100 a piece 😂. Yeah right, they are all mine. I personally won’t take a chance with the A’s…1. I didn’t buy my first Shelby to have my engine go out, 2. I will be safe and not experience this again and finally I will go enjoy my car.
So stay safe everyone and may those who use the A’s may you not have to experience engine failure.

So you're relying on this info third and fourth hand and it's been through three shops. Sorry Bud, I see a lot of finger pointing and ass covering to condemn that filter on the basis of hearsay. I'd like to know the approximate month of the sequence of events. When the oil change occurred and was it before you bought it, when was the engine failure and how did it come about being discovered. Why would someone tell you early on it was an Autozone oil filter if that is now somehow a Motorcraft filter that Autozone does not sell. I'm sure you have no ill intent and parroting what they're telling you, but it sounds fishy as hell to me.

 

[BadCon]

Again for clarification, there are two "A" filters. Ford has the FL2062-A, and the FL2087-A, with the former being the ecoboost/GT350 filter.

They look remarkably close in design on the outside, with the 2087-A having thicker and denser pleats made of white synthetic media, and possibly a thicker plastic core.

These two filters side by side, after being used in an engine, would be hard to distinguish apart from one another at distance.

 

[Rp930]

So you're relying on this info third and fourth hand and it's been through three shops. Sorry Bud, I see a lot of finger pointing and ass covering to condemn that filter on the basis of hearsay. I'd like to know the approximate month of the sequence of events. When the oil change occurred and was it before you bought it, when was the engine failure and how did it come about being discovered. Why would someone tell you early on it was an Autozone oil filter if that is now somehow a Motorcraft filter that Autozone does not sell. I'm sure you have no ill intent and parroting what they're telling you, but it sounds fishy as hell to me.

I agree. I also think Ford may change the design but I don’t think they’re careless.

Mistakes cost them $$$

 

[CodeOrange]

For the cost difference alone I would return them.

This

 

[OX1]

Rockauto still has the 2087 (so they say). I had 7 (and just changed oil/filter, so kinda 8), but my plan was oil/filter every 2 track days. So I grabbed 4 more.......

 

[OX1]

I agree. I also think Ford may change the design but I don’t think they’re careless.

Mistakes cost them $$$

Flip side is we are talking $200ish for even 10 filters, on a car I spent over $100K on (with taxes, used). Worth it all day long for a proven product, even if the new one eventually is also proven. I'll let others guinea pig that deal. And last night, the orig filter was still avaialble.
(If I wasn't tracking car, I might be less concerned).

Ford is cheapening/decontenting all the time. Most didn't/don't know that all new Superduty's don't use the D60ish size front diff anymore. Ford went smaller (R & P) in the 23 re-design, even on the Tremor.

MAYBE it is adequate for 99.9999999999% of uses, does not mean it is not inferior (doesn't prove it is either, but R & P size, apples to apples, usually determines strength). So we can't sit back and say Ford never does that, and/or if it matters, at least not yet.

 

[rossk35]

I got my other filters today and they are the correct ones. Purchased them from Summit Racing. Amazon ones are being returned. I do oil changes once a year so I now have enough for many years (assuming I keep the car long enough to go through them all) unless the new -A one is deemed safe to use.

 

[Dallas2008GT500]

I just went back through this entire thread, and I do not see a single picture posted of a collapsed FL2087-A. If someone has a photo of a collapsed FL2087-A, please post it again as I may have missed it (or reference post #).
I do see photos of collapsed FL2062 filters, these can be distinguished with the plastic endcaps AND the plastic core, and these are very different from the 2087-A. The FL2062 filter has been known for years to collapse under the loads placed on it by a Predator engine, which is why the 2087 filter was designed in the first place. The 2087-A has a reinforced core compared to the 2062, and "should" be stronger.

@AZ21GT500 posted this photo on page 1 of this thread stating "Here’s what a GT500 does to a GT350 plastic core filter with the caps holding it together." Not trying to stir the pot, just showing you the photo you asked about.

 

[BadCon]

@AZ21GT500 posted this photo on page 1 of this thread stating "Here’s what a GT500 does to a GT350 plastic core filter with the caps holding it together." Not trying to stir the pot, just showing you the photo you asked about.

That is an FL2062 filter. And yes, I saw that photo on day one. However it's no secret those collapse, they are what led to the original FL2087. The 2062 has since been "updated" to the 2062-A, which has no end caps.

I'm looking for photos of a collapsed FL2087-A.

 

[Rp930]

That is an FL2062 filter. And yes, I saw that photo on day one. However it's no secret those collapse, they are what led to the original FL2087. The 2062 has since been "updated" to the 2062-A, which has no end caps.

I'm looking for photos of a collapsed FL2087-A.

Exactly. Me too.

 

[03reptile]

This subject is a conundrum, for sure. I did have some email contact with Martin Kot (supervisor) of Ford Performance Techline on 08/01/24 and 08/08/2024. He confirmed that the FL2087 was indeed superseded by the FL2087A. He had no information concerning why this change occurred; however, I have learned, through telephone conversations with two Ford Performance representatives, that FMC conducted testing to assure that the FL2087A was as robust or more superior to the FL2087 it replaces. Other than the previously described interactions, I have had with Ford Performance representatives, I don't know if there are any confirmed collapses of the FL2087A filter in a GT350 or 2020+ GT500's, to date.
My common sense dictates that FMC would surely conduct testing procedures assuring that a replacement oil filter for these two very expensive engines would be as good, or better, than the FL2087. My pessimistic thoughts about influential bean-counters at Ford and "cutting costs" leadership could be the deciding factor for the change, with no thought of pre-testing the replacement filter. Hence the conundrum. I guess until there is formidable evidence that the FL2087A can collapse, owners are left with the decision of hoarding the FL2087 filters or trusting that Ford would not replace the FL2087 with a substandard filter.🤞

 

[Goose17]

Original filters…

 

[Tonys_GT500]

This subject is a conundrum, for sure. I did have some email contact with Martin Kot (supervisor) of Ford Performance Techline on 08/01/24 and 08/08/2024. He confirmed that the FL2087 was indeed superseded by the FL2087A. He had no information concerning why this change occurred; however, I have learned, through telephone conversations with two Ford Performance representatives, that FMC conducted testing to assure that the FL2087A was as robust or more superior to the FL2087 it replaces. Other than the previously described interactions, I have had with Ford Performance representatives, I don't know if there are any confirmed collapses of the FL2087A filter in a GT350 or 2020+ GT500's, to date.
My common sense dictates that FMC would surely conduct testing procedures assuring that a replacement oil filter for these two very expensive engines would be as good, or better, than the FL2087. My pessimistic thoughts about influential bean-counters at Ford and "cutting costs" leadership could be the deciding factor for the change, with no thought of pre-testing the replacement filter. Hence the conundrum. I guess until there is formidable evidence that the FL2087A can collapse, owners are left with the decision of hoarding the FL2087 filters or trusting that Ford would not replace the FL2087 with a substandard filter.🤞

At what point will there be any actual documentation stating that they can be used in the Predator engines? It's this note that worries me and I know how lawyers can be when it comes to warranty claim disputes. Does anyone know if there is anything form Ford stating that the 2087A is a suitable and approved replacement?