[mavisky]

It sounds like a hearty SOB that would absolutely tear shit up! It would definitely be bad ass 550-570 na. Let’s say it’s a Boss variant, you gotta think it’s 125k minimum with that engine. Dark Horse is 70-80 depending on spec so it would have to be pushing 100+ with a 30k+ engine.

Would a race engine detract from the Muscle roots of the Boss? I gotta believe Ford has something secret being made for this potential release. We’re 12 days post registration on the name so it’s gotta be a 26 release.

I still want to see what they have up their sleeves for the Hybrid V8. It’s been patented for 3 years. It was initially rumored to be part of the truck line in 25 but hasn’t been released. I received the information directly from a buddy in Ford HQ. He said it would also possibly be a Mustang option.

I don't think it would be near that much for the engine and you can subtract the cost of the Dark Horse/Mustang GT engine from the build. That's maybe 10K more per motor if they can build it on an assembly line and add in a few other bits and you may be looking at 25k more than a regular GT so you could be right in the Dark Horse price range.

 

[mavisky]

Here’s the 5 that sold. I can’t find the 1 that didn’t meet reserve. Notice the top 2 sellers, Ya that’s right Fastest Color CGM! The 187k had over 6k miles.

Looking at Bring A Trailer for S550 Super Snake sales I find these. Of these that actually sold, none of the prices to me are that impressive and are lower than just about every stock GT500 and even some GT350R cars. All but one never made it to it's first oil change, and the one that did was penalized so heavily it barely cleared what some GT350's are selling for. All of those Super Snakes started at around $125,000 so took a heavy hit in a few years time. I don't know what their actual production figures were but they were willing to make up to 500 per model year. The Speedsters did a lot better as they started at around $135,000 and seem to have held value much better since they only agreed to make 98 of them I guess.

2020 Super Snake - 253 miles - sold for $87,000 - Previously bid to $88,000 and didn't sell then

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2022 Super Snake - 655 miles - sold for $97,500

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2022 Super Snake - 1,100 miles - Sold for $88,000

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2019 Super Snake - 6,000 miles - Sold for $65,000

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2021 Super Snake Speedster Edition - 91 miles - Sold for $125,000

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2022 Super Snake Speedster Edition - 484 miles - Sold for $138,000

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[AZ21GT500]

Looking at Bring A Trailer for S550 Super Snake sales I find these. Of these that actually sold, none of the prices to me are that impressive and are lower than just about every stock GT500 and even some GT350R cars. All but one never made it to it's first oil change, and the one that did was penalized so heavily it barely cleared what some GT350's are selling for. All of those Super Snakes started at around $125,000 so took a heavy hit in a few years time. I don't know what their actual production figures were but they were willing to make up to 500 per model year. The Speedsters did a lot better as they started at around $135,000 and seem to have held value much better since they only agreed to make 98 of them I guess.

2020 Super Snake - 253 miles - sold for $87,000 - Previously bid to $88,000 and didn't sell then

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2022 Super Snake - 655 miles - sold for $97,500

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2022 Super Snake - 1,100 miles - Sold for $88,000

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2019 Super Snake - 6,000 miles - Sold for $65,000

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2021 Super Snake Speedster Edition - 91 miles - Sold for $125,000

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2022 Super Snake Speedster Edition - 484 miles - Sold for $138,000

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You are absolutely Correct the S550 Super Snakes did not hold value well. I attribute that to them flooding the market with 500 each year from 2017-2023. To be honest they weren't as refined as the S650 SS is. I drove several of them when I was looking for my GT500, they were plentiful at most "exotic type" dealers. They were quick and cool but not anywhere near my GT500 in performance. The S650 Super Snake I drove was a monster, still the DCT is the deciding factor for me but it wasn't even close to the S550 SS, it felt way more refined. If they repeat that with the S650 GT350 it will likely be much of the same. I personally hope SAI Keeps the GT350/500 production to the "anniversary" years.

I don't think it would be near that much for the engine and you can subtract the cost of the Dark Horse/Mustang GT engine from the build. That's maybe 10K more per motor if they can build it on an assembly line and add in a few other bits and you may be looking at 25k more than a regular GT so you could be right in the Dark Horse price range.

I have to think the Boss is going to replace the GT500 slot in the Ford lineup being the Dark Horse effectively took the GT350 place and the GTD took the Ford GT spot. That indicates to me they will be 100K at least or get there quick with the drop down selection menu.

 

[Tatonka]

What happens with insurance on these cars from Shelby For example, I have Hagerty and had a guaranteed reimbursement of 110K on my car. I had a local agent who told me that he got approval to increase that guaranteed price by whatever I paid SA based on my SE build but very sadly he died of cancer before Shelby took and completed the car.
As a result, I called Hagerty directly and they had no idea what a GT 500 SE is nor how much to adjust the value. I provided proof of my conversation with my agent prior to passing, my paperwork from SA, the website link, etc. and they agreed to add another 20K. They told me if I wanted an increase to provide sales comparables which as I explained is very difficult to do as there are only 225 made in this country so it's not like they're selling all over the place on cars.com.

Anyway, my question is, that our cars are VINed and titled as Shelby GT 350's and 500's which helps considerably with valuation but the Super Snakes and now the GT350's are titled as Mustang GT's unless I'm mistaken. Wouldn't the cars be well undervalued by any insurance company? How would that work, you pay 110K, 160K, 195K all without adding options yet and your car would be covered as if it was a Mustang GT 300A?

Scottie I have had a previous experience with this. As far as the SE or KR package, your insurance will only cover what the car is titled as. A 50-75k upgrade isn’t in their wheel house unless you opt for a higher declared value. Hagerty is usually your best option for this as collectors cars hold more value than normal traffic. Here is the rub with Shelby upgrade vehicles…. They are only valued through dealers and insurance as what they are titled as. This means a base GT mustang or f150 or in my previous case Raptor. These vehicles are EXTREMELY difficult to resale and or get the value from. Typically you have to find another Shelby fan/collector to recoup the cost. Often enough, you lose money on the deal. The exception to that are the Ford manufactured and VIN’ed GT350 and GT500 which hold and show their value. That being said, an upgrade package is no different than aftermarket parts that anyone could put on their vehicle. The cost of the parts or package usually is lost money unless it adds to the rareness of the vehicle. You can look at BAT prices of these cars and you will see often enough, the cost isn’t recouped. If you’re lucky and a drunk Saudi prince sees your car and decides to drop money to show off at an auction then you see the large prices. You can look at the KR cars which were at Barrett Jackson this weekend were a huge disparity between them. My opinion on most of this. I am sure someone will chime in with theirs. Long and short…. Ford VIN’ed GT500 and GT350 equate to holding value. Shelby up packaged vehicles equate to lost equity.

 

[Goose17]

From FB:

 

[Scottie24]

I think it's great for two reasons. One, they are standing up for their employees and their product. Two, they actually read the feedback they are receiving which hopefully means that they care about what the consumer thinks.

I truly believe that if they didn't use the GT350 name, this would be a non-issue. If they created 2 more Super Snake levels, people would have definitely bought them. I understand that people will buy these too but maybe a lesson here could be consumer outreach as market research before production. If the research supported it, the launch or reveal could have been just as grand.
Nothing against SA or the customers that are disappointed, including me but usually some things can be learned or taken away from most situations. Doing business in this market, with these consumers and this competition at this time is not 1965 so maybe it would have helped to hear from us. For all I know they did but if not, it may have helped.

 

[OscarMayer]

Side note.

Anger is a feeling —perfectly OK to be angry.
However… our choice of actions when we experience it defines us / our character.

Each time we communicate we deliver, at least, 2 messages: the message itself, and the message of the message. Why IMO is important to avoid syntactical and semantic failure (e.g. ad hominem attacks, etc), so that both are heard. Not to mention the duty of respect to other’s personas and opinions —in my book, it is also perfectly fine to say along the lines of ”da fuk?!”, etc. Equally fine in the general sense if I considered, from evidence, educated inference, or even personal guess, anything to be a “flop”. There is no insult to target, animate or inanimate.

However… with choices come consequences… to each side.

• Irrespective of business case, technical context, etc, —great to know details but as a general, not niche, customer, I didn’t need any of them when I bought my GT500—, if/when choosing to use a branding that carries strong semantic meaning, on a product that is semantically deviated from it while semantically close to a well-established another (Super Snake)… one will surely hear about it.

IMO, Nostradamus @wildcardfox articulated very well on this in a previous post of his.

• Go ballistic and attack fellow humans and you will get not only banned but possibly not even heard.

The meta-message behind suggesting an Aluminator, more than showing ignorance on the customer’s side alone, speaks to the t-1 time semantics of “GT350” and what Nostradamus (and the post above from @Scottie24 ) cite.

$0.02.

 

[OscarMayer]

@Scottie24 I saw your signature and thought it read “GTGOOSE” for an min and was like wha?!

 

[Scottie24]

@Scottie24 I saw your signature and thought it read “GTGOOSE” for an min and was like wha?! lol

Well he is an administrator and I love the forum but not quite enough to name my car after him. LOL

 

[Goose17]

 

[AZ21GT500]

I think it's great for two reasons. One, they are standing up for their employees and their product. Two, they actually read the feedback they are receiving which hopefully means that they care about what the consumer thinks.

I truly believe that if they didn't use the GT350 name, this would be a non-issue. If they created 2 more Super Snake levels, people would have definitely bought them. I understand that people will buy these too but maybe a lesson here could be consumer outreach as market research before production. If the research supported it, the launch or reveal could have been just as grand.
Nothing against SA or the customers that are disappointed, including me but usually some things can be learned or taken away from most situations. Doing business in this market, with these consumers and this competition at this time is not 1965 so maybe it would have helped to hear from us. For all I know they did but if not, it may have helped.

I feel differently on the subject because I believe in the “it’s their name let them drive their company”. I don’t have to buy it if I don’t like it. That being said if garage space was plentiful in my house I’d probably have both for very different purposes. I’d love to take that GT350 to the track and absolutely destroy tires. The Super Snake would be my drive around town car and my GT500 would find a comfortable corner to exist and occasionally hit the track. In person those cars are magnificent and very well made. Aaron, Gary, Vince and every single employee cares about their customers. I know that for a fact.

I guess my point all along has been the people screaming the loudest aren’t going to buy either one. The folks building them are very proud and don’t deserve any criticism. As with all SAI projects they will sell quickly. The 2025 SS is sold out. I spent a good amount of time in the booth at BJ with Gary and Aaron and didn’t hear so much as a cross word from people. I watched them write up several sales orders. People were very excited, I guess the guys sitting at home with their helmets and vests on weren’t impressed.

With socialist media being largely anonymous people can just create chaos for no reason other than they enjoy it.

I respect the opinions of our members because they don’t express themselves in a foolish manner. We’re not always going to see eye to eye. I remember reading people on the Shelby forum going crazy about the S550 GT350/500 as not being real because Carroll himself didn’t touch them. I was like WTH are you talking about, he’s inspired the folks running the company and given them a direction. Make bad ass stuff that goes like hell. They hit that mark on every car since. Hell even the GTE was fast as hell with a 2.3 😂

 

[Scottie24]

I feel differently on the subject because I believe in the “it’s their name let them drive their company”. I don’t have to buy it if I don’t like it. That being said if garage space was plentiful in my house I’d probably have both for very different purposes. I’d love to take that GT350 to the track and absolutely destroy tires. The Super Snake would be my drive around town car and my GT500 would find a comfortable corner to exist and occasionally hit the track. In person those cars are magnificent and very well made. Aaron, Gary, Vince and every single employee cares about their customers. I know that for a fact.

I guess my point all along has been the people screaming the loudest aren’t going to buy either one. The folks building them are very proud and don’t deserve any criticism. As with all SAI projects they will sell quickly. The 2025 SS is sold out. I spent a good amount of time in the booth at BJ with Gary and Aaron and didn’t hear so much as a cross word from people. I watched them write up several sales orders. People were very excited, I guess the guys sitting at home with their helmets and vests on weren’t impressed.

With socialist media being largely anonymous people can just create chaos for no reason other than they enjoy it.

I respect the opinions of our members because they don’t express themselves in a foolish manner. We’re not always going to see eye to eye. I remember reading people on the Shelby forum going crazy about the S550 GT350/500 as not being real because Carroll himself didn’t touch them. I was like WTH are you talking about, he’s inspired the folks running the company and given them a direction. Make bad ass stuff that goes like hell. They hit that mark on every car since. Hell even the GTE was fast as hell with a 2.3 😂

I would love to have ur problem. My problem is the ability to afford them all. If money wasn't an issue, I'd have them all and find space somewhere.

 

[COBRA THERAPY!!!]

The new gt350s are PATHETIC!!!

 

[Goose17]

The new gt350s are PATHETIC!!!

Care to expand on your headline…?

 

[2020FordRaptor]

I would love to have ur problem. My problem is the ability to afford them all. If money wasn't an issue, I'd have them all and find space somewhere.

My problem is I’d have them all and find space somewhere for me to sleep 😆 Was it Car and Driver that said the GT350s Recaros were uncomfy on long road trips (because that’s what they’re designed for) maybe I should ask them how it is sleeping in them?

 

[AZ21GT500]

My problem is I’d have them all and find space somewhere for me to sleep 😆 Was it Car and Driver that said the GT350s Recaros were uncomfy on long road trips (because that’s what they’re designed for) maybe I should ask them how it is sleeping in them?

I did drive my GT500 from Phoenix to Jefferson City Missouri a couple years ago and I must say that the seats did conform well to my large frame. I slept in the passenger seat for about 3 hours while my brother drove. I didn’t have any problem sleeping.

 

[OscarMayer]

My problem is I’d have them all and find space somewhere for me to sleep 😆 Was it Car and Driver that said the GT350s Recaros were uncomfy on long road trips (because that’s what they’re designed for) maybe I should ask them how it is sleeping in them?

I am 36W jeans size and have had similar experiences as Chris @AZ21GT500, short and long (6h) trips, more than once.

One thing tho: if you have lower back problems (I do), you will surely notice the lack of lumbar support —which I fixed with a small lumbar pillow. I hope this helps.

 

[Scottie24]

I can’t speak to all Shelby seat recovers but the ones they used in the SE actually feel much more comfortable and more forgiving on the lower back to me and thighs. All while still doing the job of keeping u firmly in place behind the wheel. Maybe it’s in my head but I make note of it at some point almost every time I’m driving it.

 

[Hawkeye]

The Team Shelby forum was lit when the GT500 was announced to have an automatic. Words flew all over the place. But since it died soon after, I have no idea how many of those that were complaining actually bought one, or ever drove one, to see if it changed anybody's mind.

 

[2020FordRaptor]

I did drive my GT500 from Phoenix to Jefferson City Missouri a couple years ago and I must say that the seats did conform well to my large frame. I slept in the passenger seat for about 3 hours while my brother drove. I didn’t have any problem sleeping.