Just sat down to read my Automobile magazine for September. There is a small article on the proposed 2018 GT500. Basically what we have all heard in the rumor mill. Possibly a 5.2 Voodoo engine (plus being supercharged) from the GT350 without the flat plane crank that makes it so special. No HP figures, but supposedly plus 700. I'm thinking 720 to 730 range. Bigger tires and wheels which will be a huge plus and track ready set up, whatever that means. The kicker is their prediction of a $70k plus price tag. If that is true, I'll be out of the running. Just too expensive for me. I may adjust my sights on a 2018 GT350 predicated on what changes are made. Time will tell.
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Mike, thanks for the heads up. One step closer to reality!
I have faith that time will tell you to get the GT500!
I have faith that time will tell you to get the GT500!
Mike
Personally I think you would better off with a 350 anyway. Better balanced and lighter. Still fast enough to lose your license for a decade.
You always struck me as someone who appreciated a "drivers car" anyway.
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Personally I think you would better off with a 350 anyway. Better balanced and lighter. Still fast enough to lose your license for a decade.
You always struck me as someone who appreciated a "drivers car" anyway.
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I'm surprised more people aren't snatching up the 2012 / 2013 Boss 302 models.....seem to be reasonably priced right now and a good balanced package. I've got my eye on a red 2013 model as soon as my Publishers Clearing House check comes in...... :lol:
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Neat limited production cars Greg, but the base 2015 GT was advertised as a better handling car than the outgoing Boss 302.
A new Gt 500 with 700 plus hp.
I would like to see a more lighter car, aluminum body panels, larger tires/better compound, the carbon fiber wheels (maybe), larger multi piston rear Brembo brakes, slotted only rotors, front brake cooling ducts, dare I say rear ducts also, , torsen diff, adj shocks, rev match ( instead of the silly line lock they put in the 350 track car!!), Recaro seats, HUD track info. No big rear fins!!! The car won't be that light to warrant a large rear fin.
And beating the 2018 ZL1/1LE time around the Nurbergring. Although it has a silly fin.
What would prevent me from buying one; MSRP mark ups and clutches that shoot rivets out of the pressure plate.
A 350R might not be "in demand" as much if the 500 is the new hype. Might consider a R.
I would still keep my 14 500 though.
I would like to see a more lighter car, aluminum body panels, larger tires/better compound, the carbon fiber wheels (maybe), larger multi piston rear Brembo brakes, slotted only rotors, front brake cooling ducts, dare I say rear ducts also, , torsen diff, adj shocks, rev match ( instead of the silly line lock they put in the 350 track car!!), Recaro seats, HUD track info. No big rear fins!!! The car won't be that light to warrant a large rear fin.
And beating the 2018 ZL1/1LE time around the Nurbergring. Although it has a silly fin.
What would prevent me from buying one; MSRP mark ups and clutches that shoot rivets out of the pressure plate.
A 350R might not be "in demand" as much if the 500 is the new hype. Might consider a R.
I would still keep my 14 500 though.
Here is a good compilation of info, rumors and spy photos on CJ Pony Parts website:
http://www.cjponyparts.com/resources/news/2019-shelby-gt500
http://www.cjponyparts.com/resources/news/2019-shelby-gt500
I dunno, I don't think Ford has dropped any balls...
Any attempt to push big power numbers out of the 6.2L would be an exercise in lipsticking a pig.
Besides, I spent some time last summer with a Ford driveline engineer, and he basically poked fun at GM's backwards/archaic method of relying on big cubes to make decent power, and then reverse-engineering to make it run clean and economical like a smaller engine. He said it was like training a fat lady to win bikini contests. So I think Ford takes pride in making more power, cleanly, reliably, and not needing as many cubes to do it.
I don't know that the EcoBoost V8 would have been met with much popular demand. I wanted one... But for every one "build it guy", there seemed to be five "no, stay supercharged" guys.
Obviously they have a damned-good reason for not going with the flat-plane crank. Probably because they can't get that engine to pass the HELLISH durability tests/benchmarks that Ford tortures their engines with. Same engineer said he grenaded a ton of Voodoo's before they finally cracked the code, and got them to hold together. Dumping boost on them, which seems to work decently in the aftermarket, probably puts them back into the hole for their test-standards, which are high and unworldly.
I think there's a mechanically-trick Bullitt debuting this fall. And there seems to be a GT500 waiting in the wings, so things are happening.
We gotta remember something... None of these cars make Ford money, they just make Ford image (which they equate as marketing-benefit/equity instead of green profit).
Even at $70K, I guarantee the GT500 is a money-losing model up until they weight the marketing/image-equity it brings.
It's a miracle, and we're all LUCKY, that the Big 3 have been doing all they've been doing in the area of niche high performance vehicles. Luckily, a few car guys are still walking around inside the corporate headquarters!
Any attempt to push big power numbers out of the 6.2L would be an exercise in lipsticking a pig.
Besides, I spent some time last summer with a Ford driveline engineer, and he basically poked fun at GM's backwards/archaic method of relying on big cubes to make decent power, and then reverse-engineering to make it run clean and economical like a smaller engine. He said it was like training a fat lady to win bikini contests. So I think Ford takes pride in making more power, cleanly, reliably, and not needing as many cubes to do it.
I don't know that the EcoBoost V8 would have been met with much popular demand. I wanted one... But for every one "build it guy", there seemed to be five "no, stay supercharged" guys.
Obviously they have a damned-good reason for not going with the flat-plane crank. Probably because they can't get that engine to pass the HELLISH durability tests/benchmarks that Ford tortures their engines with. Same engineer said he grenaded a ton of Voodoo's before they finally cracked the code, and got them to hold together. Dumping boost on them, which seems to work decently in the aftermarket, probably puts them back into the hole for their test-standards, which are high and unworldly.
I think there's a mechanically-trick Bullitt debuting this fall. And there seems to be a GT500 waiting in the wings, so things are happening.
We gotta remember something... None of these cars make Ford money, they just make Ford image (which they equate as marketing-benefit/equity instead of green profit).
Even at $70K, I guarantee the GT500 is a money-losing model up until they weight the marketing/image-equity it brings.
It's a miracle, and we're all LUCKY, that the Big 3 have been doing all they've been doing in the area of niche high performance vehicles. Luckily, a few car guys are still walking around inside the corporate headquarters!
I agree, the Tesla is way fast due to the electric motors having torque available instantly. And a motor at each wheel and more batts on the maxed out one.. A good 1/4 mile car if you run the 1/4 mile. Maybe for two runs.
However, there is a guy who tracks a Tesla, in about 7 minutes his computer limits his power consumption on his car to conserve power.
A sprinter for sure though. My wife wants the model S.
I fly EDF jets and I can brag about the big watts I'm running. But that's for the few seconds at the beginning only. I also have micro gas turbines, they are like all fuel engines, they give 100% till the last drop. I still like that part.
However, there is a guy who tracks a Tesla, in about 7 minutes his computer limits his power consumption on his car to conserve power.
A sprinter for sure though. My wife wants the model S.
I fly EDF jets and I can brag about the big watts I'm running. But that's for the few seconds at the beginning only. I also have micro gas turbines, they are like all fuel engines, they give 100% till the last drop. I still like that part.
Yes. And back on topic, electric cars are straight up gay. I don't give a Shiite how quick they are. Until you have to plug them in again.
Fossil fuels win.
Fossil fuels win.
^^ I'm with you guys and like a strong gas engine. BUT, after having ridden in a Tesla and having seen their SUV at a showroom, I am impressed.
A new 500 at $70-ish is not that much more than a loaded 13/14 500, but will be multiple steps ahead of the S197 version in performance.
The admin charges will limit the market some. Since Ford doesn't make money on these anyway maybe that's why they do it that way.
The admin charges will limit the market some. Since Ford doesn't make money on these anyway maybe that's why they do it that way.
Past efforts by the automotive industry to provide fuel-efficient vehicles with lower environmental impact brought us tiny tin-can cars with tiny engines and likewise tiny performance.
At least these new electric cars more-or-less haul ass!! All prior options meant giving up any/all hopes of fun out on the road. I'm hoping that the future, whatever it pans-out to be, includes fun and some speed. I don't want to have to drive an alt-fuel micro-car that barely gets out of its own way.
At least these new electric cars more-or-less haul ass!! All prior options meant giving up any/all hopes of fun out on the road. I'm hoping that the future, whatever it pans-out to be, includes fun and some speed. I don't want to have to drive an alt-fuel micro-car that barely gets out of its own way.
The government is not "giving money to the wealthy to buy electric cars." The government is essentially giving money to the electric car companies so that they WILL build electric cars. It's a subsidy. Without the subsidy, there would be no R&D in this direction since it is not yet cost effective to produce and sell these types of vehicles. Technology is advancing though and eventually these cars should be able to hit the market sans subsidy.
The other problem is the limited infrastructure to support said vehicles. Imagine if we all still drove steam powered cars and then were hesitant to buy gas vehicles due to the lack of gas stations nation-wide. The investment from gas companies/gas stations wouldn't be there until the demand for gas was there. The demand for gas would not be there until enough consumers felt that gas stations were plentiful enough to warrant the switch. The government, good or bad, then steps in and will "incentivize" consumers/business to head in a direction it desires.
I'm with Boss... at least the electric cars are thrilling and not a 45 mph box on wheels.
The other problem is the limited infrastructure to support said vehicles. Imagine if we all still drove steam powered cars and then were hesitant to buy gas vehicles due to the lack of gas stations nation-wide. The investment from gas companies/gas stations wouldn't be there until the demand for gas was there. The demand for gas would not be there until enough consumers felt that gas stations were plentiful enough to warrant the switch. The government, good or bad, then steps in and will "incentivize" consumers/business to head in a direction it desires.
I'm with Boss... at least the electric cars are thrilling and not a 45 mph box on wheels.
Tim
I thought there was up to a $7500 tax credit for purchasing electric cars depending on range that goes back to the consumer? That is separate from any subsidies provided to electric car manufacturers.
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I thought there was up to a $7500 tax credit for purchasing electric cars depending on range that goes back to the consumer? That is separate from any subsidies provided to electric car manufacturers.
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So, I'm no expert but I can read.
Electric cars have failed from day 1. For a reason.
Fast forward to today & a few years prior. Electric cars are still a fail. For the same reasons albeit 2 or 3 decades of advancement in technology couldn't fix.
Why? Not enough power for our demand for it to be practical. Range, cost, (without my tax dollars floating the farse green effort), disposal of big ass batteries, junk resale, and the whole yuppie green effort that I despise.
And it's a tad gay. Just I my opinion.
Where is it at? I'll tell you where it's at.. CNG. Compressed Natural Gas. We have enough clean energy underneath our feet for many lifetimes.
And it doesn't have to be propped up by the government to make it look like it'll work.
And it's not gay. Like electric cars. So, there you go.
Electric cars have failed from day 1. For a reason.
Fast forward to today & a few years prior. Electric cars are still a fail. For the same reasons albeit 2 or 3 decades of advancement in technology couldn't fix.
Why? Not enough power for our demand for it to be practical. Range, cost, (without my tax dollars floating the farse green effort), disposal of big ass batteries, junk resale, and the whole yuppie green effort that I despise.
And it's a tad gay. Just I my opinion.
Where is it at? I'll tell you where it's at.. CNG. Compressed Natural Gas. We have enough clean energy underneath our feet for many lifetimes.
And it doesn't have to be propped up by the government to make it look like it'll work.
And it's not gay. Like electric cars. So, there you go.
CNG is not considered "clean" in my corner of the country, not even close.
Protesters are stopping a new CNG facility here as we read this.
Point being politics of this is a huge leveraging factor.
Protesters are stopping a new CNG facility here as we read this.
Point being politics of this is a huge leveraging factor.
Miscellaneous Ramblings....
* As it usually goes with ANY "tax credit" (although I can't say for certain on the electric car one), I'd wager a 12-pack of beer that when you run the supposed $7500 tax credit through the IRS supporting-document worksheet, there's a line where it basically takes it away if you make more than $XXXXX.XX per-year. There's always a hook with these credits, or a place somewhere else in the deductions/credits area where if you have to reach a certain threshold before any of your credits or deductions actually count. The tables and worksheets that go into preparing taxes are so convoluted and confusing, I suspect that many of the "wealthy" are not even aware that much of their charitable-donating and attempts to take a credit are wiped-away in the worksheets, and never make it to the 2-page 1040. Long story short, I'd be surprised if Joe Wealthy is actually pocketing a $7500 discount after it runs through the filters. And I could be wrong. Any CPA's on here??
* So much of our "energy" in this country is entangled within a complex web of logistics and supply-chain and transportation and supply. You can invent the "next big revolution", but the ability to support that revolutionary technology or discovery may take decades to convert to, or longer, carrying it's own environmental impact and cost. Even fuel refining is split in a carefully determined ratio between gas and diesel, and overall demand.. You go tilting those related ratios in our country too fast, and you wind up with shortages and chaos.
Whatever we might be driving 50-100 years from now, the transition will be slow and expensive. But I suppose it will create jobs..??
* As it usually goes with ANY "tax credit" (although I can't say for certain on the electric car one), I'd wager a 12-pack of beer that when you run the supposed $7500 tax credit through the IRS supporting-document worksheet, there's a line where it basically takes it away if you make more than $XXXXX.XX per-year. There's always a hook with these credits, or a place somewhere else in the deductions/credits area where if you have to reach a certain threshold before any of your credits or deductions actually count. The tables and worksheets that go into preparing taxes are so convoluted and confusing, I suspect that many of the "wealthy" are not even aware that much of their charitable-donating and attempts to take a credit are wiped-away in the worksheets, and never make it to the 2-page 1040. Long story short, I'd be surprised if Joe Wealthy is actually pocketing a $7500 discount after it runs through the filters. And I could be wrong. Any CPA's on here??
* So much of our "energy" in this country is entangled within a complex web of logistics and supply-chain and transportation and supply. You can invent the "next big revolution", but the ability to support that revolutionary technology or discovery may take decades to convert to, or longer, carrying it's own environmental impact and cost. Even fuel refining is split in a carefully determined ratio between gas and diesel, and overall demand.. You go tilting those related ratios in our country too fast, and you wind up with shortages and chaos.
Whatever we might be driving 50-100 years from now, the transition will be slow and expensive. But I suppose it will create jobs..??
Funny, out here Jerry Clown (Gov,D) has just pushed another gas tax and DMV tag hikes on our cars. In the hikes, my understanding is that if you own an electric car, your subject to higher DMV fees oppose to a gas car because Jerry doesn't get as much out of you since you purchase less gas.
Also, out here they give illegal foreign nationals drivers licenses and then try to get cars off the roads with public transportation that is over budget, a constant loss, and no one uses.
Help!
Also, out here they give illegal foreign nationals drivers licenses and then try to get cars off the roads with public transportation that is over budget, a constant loss, and no one uses.
Help!
Govt. subsidies or not, Shelby seems to be able to get big hp cars to the people who want them. I would wager that most all of us on here have modded our cars beyond the factory levels.........Why you ask?? Because the factory performance level (itch) wasn't satisfied over time, and we craved more, beyond what Ford offered. Or another way of looking at it, if 500hp from Ford was enough, there would never have been a 540, 550 and 662. <<Again, scratching that itch that the performance guys crave. Shelby offers to scratch that itch, heck, they were at the 700+hp level 10 years ago on a GT500...........
If they (Ford) does continue to use the "Shelby" name/badge on a production Mustang, that is saying something also.....apparently it is of value to them, or they would go a different direction in naming the top performer Mustang.
It will be interesting to see where the power levels are once (or if) Ford offers a GT500 on the new platform to scratch the Big itch.
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If they (Ford) does continue to use the "Shelby" name/badge on a production Mustang, that is saying something also.....apparently it is of value to them, or they would go a different direction in naming the top performer Mustang.
It will be interesting to see where the power levels are once (or if) Ford offers a GT500 on the new platform to scratch the Big itch.
R
Here in CT, there was talk of a major NG terminal being placed out to sea. People were quick to object to the location, because of 5 components.
1. Security concerns
2. Safety concerns in regards to handling materials and offloading to ships
3. Public eyesore off the coastline of CT, with lights on continuously
4. The need to run supply pipes through towns, countryside and cities
5. Facility was designed to benefit NY and MA, not CT. We were just going to provide location because MA and NY didn't want it.
1. Security concerns
2. Safety concerns in regards to handling materials and offloading to ships
3. Public eyesore off the coastline of CT, with lights on continuously
4. The need to run supply pipes through towns, countryside and cities
5. Facility was designed to benefit NY and MA, not CT. We were just going to provide location because MA and NY didn't want it.
The government has wasted my tax dollars on MUCH WORSE things.....besides, I've been driving an electric car since I was 10 years old...it has always been reliable. :lol:
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Mike, I don't pretend to be an expert or have any certainty, I was simply "told" (can't remember where or how valid the source was) that premium fuel almost always has the full 10% mix (because ethanol increases octane), and regular doesn't necessarily contain 10% (hence the "up to 10%" language on the pumps, as it may vary).
So you might be spending unnecessarily with the premium in your lawn gadgets.
Luckily, I've got access to non-ethanol a few miles from my house.
Surely one of our resident experts has the real skinny on this subject.
So you might be spending unnecessarily with the premium in your lawn gadgets.
Luckily, I've got access to non-ethanol a few miles from my house.
Surely one of our resident experts has the real skinny on this subject.
Was just laughing... Because my foggy recollection is that every future-GT500 thread that's ever been started on here, has always devolved into derivative-discussions of totally unrelated and comparably mundane topics.
Post #1 - Guys!! Check out this link for news on the next GT500!!!
Post #25 - I'm pretty certain that if you load up that crack with some J-B Weld, grind/sand it down, and touch-up the repair, nobody will ever know....
Post #1 - Guys!! Check out this link for news on the next GT500!!!
Post #25 - I'm pretty certain that if you load up that crack with some J-B Weld, grind/sand it down, and touch-up the repair, nobody will ever know....
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