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I had briefly mentioned this in a thread before, but it is perplexing me again. I have an Escort Passport 8500 X50. At wide open throttle, it picks up a laser signal every time. At first I was thinking it was the supercharger sound waves refracting brake lights, or some strange phenomenon, but recently I realized it is only with the pedal smashed to the floor whether the car is in 6th at 1500rpm or second at 6000.

So, in thinking about this, I realized our cars are drive by wire. Does anyone know if there is an infrared signal of some sort the car uses at WOT?

It's not a big deal, because I can turn the laser band off, but now it's more of a quest... Anyone have any other thoughts?
 

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It's the sensor that records wide open throttle so they'll know how rough you've been on it.




















Just kidding. I have no idea what it would be, but welcome to the club.
 

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I don't know what may be triggering your detector, but I stopped using the darn things because it is my feeling that these devices were designed to sound off periodically (without any real signal) to keep you thinking there is an officer in the area. I know they do work when you are actually hit but by then it is too late anyway. I believe they are virtually worthless. In some outdoor magazines a device is sold that claims to scare away mosquitoes. It is supposed to replicate the sound of dragonfly wings. Well, this may scare the heck out of mosquitoe larvie (because that is what dragonflys eat) but I seriously doubt it would evoke even passing interest in adults. I believe radar detectors work along those lines. If you hear near constant noise from your device you won't speed and you won't get tickets. So I suppose the result is the same, but the method is dishonest. It's real function is to make you BELIEVE it is working. Does your detector sound off every time you mash the accellerator without exception. If it does it may be caused by the car. But I think the term drive by wire relates to electronic signals relayed by electrical wireing. I should think the voltage would be too low to affect your detector. You might try moving the device to the far right corner of the windshield as it may be the coils on the sparkplugs that could emit enough ambient electrical force to trip the alarm. It probably won't help but it is worth a try. Personally I think your best bet is to toss it out of the window. Then you can stomp on the pedal without some electronic nanny screaming at you.
 

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Wow, you obviously don't know how advanced detectors have become in the last ten years. LOL




As far as the laser sound off, I have heard it a time or two just pulling out of my garage, and I don't think there is any laser near my house. I've asked about neighbors alarm systems, but doesn't seem to be that either.


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I had briefly mentioned this in a thread before, but it is perplexing me again. I have an Escort Passport 8500 X50. At wide open throttle, it picks up a laser signal every time. At first I was thinking it was the supercharger sound waves refracting brake lights, or some strange phenomenon, but recently I realized it is only with the pedal smashed to the floor whether the car is in 6th at 1500rpm or second at 6000.

So, in thinking about this, I realized our cars are drive by wire. Does anyone know if there is an infrared signal of some sort the car uses at WOT?

It's not a big deal, because I can turn the laser band off, but now it's more of a quest... Anyone have any other thoughts?


I posted your question on a detector site I belong to. Let's see if they come up w/ something?


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I don't know what may be triggering your detector, but I stopped using the darn things because it is my feeling that these devices were designed to sound off periodically (without any real signal) to keep you thinking there is an officer in the area. I know they do work when you are actually hit but by then it is too late anyway. I believe they are virtually worthless. In some outdoor magazines a device is sold that claims to scare away mosquitoes. It is supposed to replicate the sound of dragonfly wings. Well, this may scare the heck out of mosquitoe larvie (because that is what dragonflys eat) but I seriously doubt it would evoke even passing interest in adults. I believe radar detectors work along those lines. If you hear near constant noise from your device you won't speed and you won't get tickets. So I suppose the result is the same, but the method is dishonest. It's real function is to make you BELIEVE it is working. Does your detector sound off every time you mash the accellerator without exception. If it does it may be caused by the car. But I think the term drive by wire relates to electronic signals relayed by electrical wireing. I should think the voltage would be too low to affect your detector. You might try moving the device to the far right corner of the windshield as it may be the coils on the sparkplugs that could emit enough ambient electrical force to trip the alarm. It probably won't help but it is worth a try. Personally I think your best bet is to toss it out of the window. Then you can stomp on the pedal without some electronic nanny screaming at you.
I kind of agree with SAM. I had a Valentine for trips to Fla. and I found I spent more time worrying about the police and on and off the throttle as a result of signals. It did work for stationary set ups for police radar but as he indicated " Instant On" will get you every time. The officers are starting to use this method more frequently to defeat the detectors. Your only hope is someone else ahead of you gets tagged by instant on, and you hear the brief signal. I sold it for what I paid and now just set the speed control at about 78MPH and so far, no tickets. Most troopers set up for 10 over and if you are under that, you're usually safe. I don't want to berate dectors, just found that they were more of a distraction for me and my driving skills.
 

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Never be the fastest car.

Never be the first car.

Be smart about how and when you rely on the detector.

I have diverted a ticket dozens of times in the last couple years, many times w/ instant on.

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Just get a badge. That's my radar detector.
 

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I think it is something under the dash, but I haven't had a chance to look. I was holding it in my hand, moving it around different areas of the cockpit, and under the dash drives it nuts. I'll have to crawl under there and look... I also need to order the DVD manual to see what kind of signals there are under there.

As far as the detector's value... It has saved me a few times, but it's more about not getting the stupid ticket. You know, the one where you don't realize you're doing 90 and you fly by the cops thinking nothing is wrong... When it beeps, which I commend Escort for hardly ever falsing, it gives you that chance to check your speed and save the ticket. If you're being a jackass, which we all have to be once in a while with these cars, you're going down if the cops are around.
 

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How about get a life. If you really are a cop and use that as a way out of tickets this is the reason why people hate cops.

You would be very surprised how many people get out of tickets from knowing an officer...I know, I have officers in my family.




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How about get a life. If you really are a cop and use that as a way out of tickets this is the reason why people hate cops.
Classy guy here. Wonder why you resent cops so much :boohoo:
 

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Classy guy here. Wonder why you resent cops so much :boohoo:
Did anyone read this guys first post I'm the unclassy one. Try this is a guy whose job is to write you a ticket when you speed for the safety of others but hides behind his badge when he does wrong. I don't resent cops GT just cops like you that think they have executive priveledges when it is time to man up. The problem here is many cops think they are exempt from the laws they are paid(by me) to enforce. You are a public servant. I always end up looking bad when I stick my nose out on this one but someone has to have a sack when it comes to this. If I speed give me ticket, I pay go on my way.
 

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I posted your question on a detector site I belong to. Let's see if they come up w/ something?


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This is some of what they came up with...


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Like the others here have said, SCGT, the most common cause is typically a "noisy" electrical system, which, upon the vehicle going WOT, the phenomenon is exacerbated.

Nothing more mysterious or cryptic. Yes, it's just that simple.

On older vehicles, contacts which have loosened or become corroded or otherwise degraded over time can be a big cause of such noise. If your older vehicle's charging system has itself been ruled-out as a potential cause (either lower-than-acceptable or higher-than-acceptable threshold voltage values can cause this kind of behavior to happen, with modern detectors), then it's time to start tracking down the specifics. Start with the easy stuff, first, such as making sure that your hardwiring is sound and/or the cigarette-lighter/12V-accessory socket is still good-to-go (this includes not only making sure that the socket itself is clean and can provide good electrical contact to your detector's power plug, but also checking the BACK SIDE of the socket, both the immediate hardware (which can loosen or degrade over time) as well as its upstream wiring. In some older, road-weary vehicles, a detector's sensitivity to such electrical noise has even been the tell-tale that allowed, finally, their owner to realize that more extensive problems, such as the need to re-do the engine-bay main wiring harness grounds, etc., is the actual cause.

On newer vehicles, simple individual/unique unit build-variation can often induce electrical noise - but yes, some vehicles (such as modern force-fed Subarus, out of all things!) can have a "tendency" towards such traits, too. Oftentimes, just an in-line, clip-on, Ferrite choke can do wonders, but in some cases, more extensive troubleshooting and methods may need to be undertaken. I would, no matter what, truly reserve "sending the detector back to the manufacturer" to get "fixed" for this problem as a last-resort measure, as not-infrequently, such fixes may involve increasing shielding around the laser-sensor, and as a by-product, may itself decrease laser sensitivity. [ Example: A good friend of mine in the NE states also drives the same kind of car as I do, the same year-of-manufacture, no less - his late-year, 2007, Escort 9500i would persistently false laser in his vehicle, at WOT, and he tried *everything* to cure the issue, himself. He finally had to send the unit back to Escort, who told him that they will increase shielding around his laser sensor, but that he'd lose about 30% of his current laser sensitivity. ]

As a part of troubleshooting of modern vehicles, one must also take into account the multitude of electronics - both factory as well as aftermarket - that are present in our cars.

It has been well-documented that many such electronics can cause a detector's laser-detection circuitry/optics to think that it's actually seeing a valid laser hit. For example, many vehicle's factory navigation screen often cause such interference, and aftermarket screens for the same, as well as for things like carputers, etc., can also cause issues.

Regardless, these instances are both well-known as well as have dedicated solutions within the hobbyist community. Again, I will refer you to the RadarDetector.net database for such:

Things that give false laser alerts - Radar Detector Jammer Forum

^ This thread describes, in varying detail, some of the most likely causes of such falsing. This is what I consider on the order of "basic knowledge and know-how" for any advanced detector user, and I would highly recommend that you read through this thread, and take notes. :) Although this thread lacks direct reference to first-hand incidences of such falsing taking place, trust me, SCGT, when I say that each of the examples logged have seen MANY case-reports in the community (for example, the latest "re-discovery" was that of the factory nav-screen being the cause of some user's woes), and all are "real," unlike the theory proposed by your cited fellow car-lover, above. ;)

possible cure for x50 false laser alerts - Radar Detector Jammer Forum

^ The above is a thread which explores many of the troubleshooting options in-detail.


[ Note - Yes, on some detectors you can turn off a certain alert "band." However, even on the ones where you can disable the laser alert, it is not unheard of for such falsing to PERSIST, even after that "band" has been deactivated. ]
 

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Thanks Beach, interesting thoughts...
 

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Did anyone read this guys first post I'm the unclassy one. Try this is a guy whose job is to write you a ticket when you speed for the safety of others but hides behind his badge when he does wrong. I don't resent cops GT just cops like you that think they have executive priveledges when it is time to man up. The problem here is many cops think they are exempt from the laws they are paid(by me) to enforce. You are a public servant. I always end up looking bad when I stick my nose out on this one but someone has to have a sack when it comes to this. If I speed give me ticket, I pay go on my way.
See, you assume that I'm a cop. Badge doesn't equal cop 100% of the time Big. With that point made, you might want to reconsider bashing someone before having the facts.
 

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Could be those new autonomous aerial nano-robocops, I've been reading so much about lately! Whenever they detect the whirl of a SC kicking in, on goes their itty bitty instant on nano-radars. These things are the size of moths! I'm sure they're being tested in MD; just last weekend I was on 15 and opened up for about 5 seconds; low and behold a minute later I was on the side of the road getting a ticket for 80 in a 55! Damn-it!! First moving violation in 14 years!!

Just kidding, not really....just really, not kidding!!! ;)...about the nano-robocops, not the ticket though, unfortunately!! I'm going to try and plead away the points with a '5 second insanity' plea. :thinkerg:
 

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See, you assume that I'm a cop. Badge doesn't equal cop 100% of the time Big. With that point made, you might want to reconsider bashing someone before having the facts.
You also don't deny being a cop you just walk around the truth. I don't care if you are a officer just making a statement of what I feel is a major problem with our system. I believe policing is a big responsibility and officers should be held to a higher standard, paid better and set examples to our public. There should be no room for bs and cops would be highly paid, respected and followed individuals. When a cop pulls me over I don't let him give me a warning because if you pull me over don't waste my, yours and the taxpayers money asking me if I knew what I did wrong. If I don't know what I did wrong I'm either retarded or lying so write it up and lets get on with the day.
 

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FYI, I'm not a cop. I'm both a vet and a Deputy Sheriff Officer that works as a Correction Officer. So don't lecture me on being a public servant. I've done my time, have you? What have you done for your country, let alone your community? I doubt you have the faintest idea what any of us actually deal with on a day to day basis.

Regardless, I support your right to opinion (free speech), even if it is whatever is convenient at the moment. All of law enforcement is held to a higher standard. If you cannot see that, then you will not see my point.

On another note, you cannot possibly expect us to believe that you've actually demanded a ticket, or would. If you are this perfect citizen that demands perfection from your community as a whole, then you're an idealist.

My apologies to the OP for derailing your thread. Some people just have to make something out of nothing.
 
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