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I just got off the phone with my SVT Engineer, and I will now mention his name, Bill Woekenberg. After twenty five years of dedicated service, giving 110%, solving the Tremec TR6060, dual disc clutch, flywheel dilema, Bill was not given any options other than the main gate. This is truly Fords LOSS. Bill has helped so many of us, a top notch engineer, and has been a true lieson between Ford and the customer. If not for him my tranny would have been ripped apart and put back together with non modified parts, as I was one of the first to experience the tranny clutch failure. I remained patient for the upgraded parts to go into production, as he asked I be patient till he and Kevin Ryan from Tremec had a chance to work out the problems. I am at a loss for words, and Bill as I have already mentioned, this is Fords loss and another company's gain. My mom used to tell me that things happen for the best, and I know that is in your cards. My heart and prayers go out to you, as I know the roller coaster ride your emotions are experiencing at this moment. For those of you that Bill has helped, and for those of you who are to gain, please express your support for a true professional that we will all miss on our team. Team Ford.
 

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He's a friend of mine too and just as you said has been a silent friend to many that needed their cars looked at when no one else could help them with there fried clutches and toasted trannys. These 9 members and 4 other members that I know will never forget his customer service.



I spoke with him also and he wanted me to thank the members that have been sending prayers and good thoughts his way. Bill Woebkenberg truly cared about the customers that are riding around in Ford automobiles, and was glad that he could help some of you. As a true Ford customer that bleeds Ford Blue.....I am going to miss him from being on the Ford team.
 

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Thanks for your years of dedication and hard work, Bill! May only good things come to you and your loved ones in the future!
 

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I was also one of those that Bill assisted; and I echo the comments that he was a great guy. Its a shame that he and his family are now put under that kind of stress. It seems that u.s. companies have no loyalty left.

edit it is also a shame that ts saw fit to remove a thread on this same subject; hard to imagine them doing that.
 

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I was also one of those that Bill assisted; and I echo the comments that he was a great guy. Its a shame that he and his family are now put under that kind of stress. It seems that u.s. companies have no loyalty left.

edit it is also a shame that ts saw fit to remove a thread on this same subject; hard to imagine them doing that.
Yes! I hope this shows to be a different forum. Delete this thread and remove me as a member as well! By the way, I received Bill and Kevin Ryan's names from George at Rockland Standard Gear, the Tremec Specialists. Sorry George:), or maybe not, you have been just as much a help, thanks George for leading me to such a fine individual.
 

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Unfortunately, this is a new way of life for big companies in general and the domestic automakers in particular. I neve met the guy, don't know him from Adam, but he sounds like a great guy who was dedicated to his job and was passionate about what he did. I wish him well.
 

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Working for Ford myself,I know how trying this is to too many people.Bill will be missed by many people especially the customers.I wish you well.
Today is BLACK THURSDAY at FORD.Like the many 1,000's that have already left there will be 1,000's more being forced out today.All contract employees have already been terminated and here at AAI and the rest of FORD they are in the process of escorting people out even as I type.This is a very uncomfortable situation to be in and I can't wait for the day to be over.

So Bill and the rest of my brothers and sisters that are losing their jobs,God Bless you and good luck in your job hunting.I will miss you all.................FRED.........................
 

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It's a shame Ford has put out such a valuable asset as Bill.. For a man that loves his work, and puts every ounch of energy into it, to be dismissed, is truly a travasty. He will be sorely missed. Godspeed Bill. Thanks for putting forth the admiration, desire, and exceptional customer service traits i'm sure are the bench marks of your rock solid professionalism to fix our tranny's issues.
 

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That is a great way to run Ford. Get rid of the technical people who care, and pay people millions upon millions to change the name from Five Hundred to Taurus. These people running Ford are brilliant. That is why, other than the GT500, all my cars Asian, where engineers run the place. Not marketing and accounting departments.

My heart is out to all who have lost their jobs. If only these companies would listen to the designers and engineers, they could make product people will buy, make money, get bigger, and all have a great time.
 

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That is a great way to run Ford. Get rid of the technical people who care, and pay people millions upon millions to change the name from Five Hundred to Taurus. These people running Ford are brilliant. That is why, other than the GT500, all my cars Asian, where engineers run the place. Not marketing and accounting departments.

My heart is out to all who have lost their jobs. If only these companies would listen to the designers and engineers, they could make product people will buy, make money, get bigger, and all have a great time.

WOW! There are so many things wrong with this message. I don't know where to begin.

The fact that Americans (including Canadians) are buying import cars by the millions is what is hurting the big 3. It has nothing to do with 'who' or 'how' the business is running. It has to do with car sales. If you can't sell your cars you won't be able to stay in business very long. Are import cars better made than American? I doubt it since most are now assembled on our soil by both American and Canadian workers.

Seriously though, take a look at yourself. You admit to owning nothing else but Asian aside from your GT500. Do you not think that you (and the millions that are in similar situations as yourself) are a little bit to blame for the current issues facing Ford and the other 2 American automakers?

If this message appears to be a personal attack on you, it isn't. I'm just trying to point to a fact that both Americans and Canadians have been leaning towards import car makers for more than 30 years now which has done nothing but hurt car sales of the big 3 in ways they could not have imagined.

If you want to stop the downward spiralling effect on American automakers, then start buying American cars, otherwise sit back and watch them fade away. Sadly, we can only blame ourselves for what we are currently witnessing from the big 3 and the fact that they are laying off employees by the thousands.

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I agree with you.

BTW, I have 6 Fords at my house currently.
92 F-250 play truck
99 F-150 work truck
07 Escape SUV
07 Mustang GT/CS Wifes play car
07 GT500 my play car
96 Mustang GTS sons future car
 

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WOW! There are so many things wrong with this message. I don't know where to begin.

The fact that Americans (including Canadians) are buying import cars by the millions is what is hurting the big 3. It has nothing to do with 'who' or 'how' the business is running. It has to do with car sales. If you can't sell your cars you won't be able to stay in business very long. Are import cars better made than American? I doubt it since most are now assembled on our soil by both American and Canadian workers.

Seriously though, take a look at yourself. You admit to owning nothing else but Asian aside from your GT500. Do you not think that you (and the millions that are in similar situations as yourself) are a little bit to blame for the current issues facing Ford and the other 2 American automakers?

If this message appears to be a personal attack on you, it isn't. I'm just trying to point to a fact that both Americans and Canadians have been leaning towards import car makers for more than 30 years now which has done nothing but hurt car sales of the big 3 in ways they could not have imagined.

If you want to stop the downward spiralling effect on American automakers, then start buying American cars, otherwise sit back and watch them fade away. Sadly, we can only blame ourselves for what we are currently witnessing from the big 3 and the fact that they are laying off employees by the thousands.

Arbour88



Thank you.It wouldn't have been right for me to point this out but thanks for doing so.I have been saying this for years.Ever seen the bumper sticker,"OUT OF A JOB YET?KEEP BUYING FOREIGN".This doesn't go just for the auto industry.Have you ever called for IT help for your computer?It transfer you to India or Mexico.I'll stop here.I don't have the time to argue my points.:info-smilie:
 

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Thank you.It wouldn't have been right for me to point this out but thanks for doing so.I have been saying this for years.Ever seen the bumper sticker,"OUT OF A JOB YET?KEEP BUYING FOREIGN".This doesn't go just for the auto industry.Have you ever called for IT help for your computer?It transfer you to India or Mexico.I'll stop here.I don't have the time to argue my points.:info-smilie:
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My garage: PT Cruiser, Dodge Ram, Ford Focus, Shelby GT500. Languages spoken in my house: English. Nuf said.

 

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My garage: PT Cruiser, Dodge Ram, Ford Focus, Shelby GT500. Languages spoken in my house: English. Nuf said.




I have added to the collection:

Taurus,Windstar,Taurus,Focus(getting ready to sell),Taurus and a GT500.Yes that's right I have 3 Taurus.:bandit:
 

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WOW! There are so many things wrong with this message. I don't know where to begin.

The fact that Americans (including Canadians) are buying import cars by the millions is what is hurting the big 3. It has nothing to do with 'who' or 'how' the business is running. It has to do with car sales. If you can't sell your cars you won't be able to stay in business very long. Are import cars better made than American? I doubt it since most are now assembled on our soil by both American and Canadian workers.

Seriously though, take a look at yourself. You admit to owning nothing else but Asian aside from your GT500. Do you not think that you (and the millions that are in similar situations as yourself) are a little bit to blame for the current issues facing Ford and the other 2 American automakers?

If this message appears to be a personal attack on you, it isn't. I'm just trying to point to a fact that both Americans and Canadians have been leaning towards import car makers for more than 30 years now which has done nothing but hurt car sales of the big 3 in ways they could not have imagined.

If you want to stop the downward spiralling effect on American automakers, then start buying American cars, otherwise sit back and watch them fade away. Sadly, we can only blame ourselves for what we are currently witnessing from the big 3 and the fact that they are laying off employees by the thousands.

Arbour88
Well said John, I think that hits the nail on the head!:info-smilie:
 

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Wow I am glad It's Friday and yesterday is over.19 employees and a bunch of contract employees lost their jobs yesterday.The bad news is it's suppose to happen again in December.
 

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I have added to the collection:

Taurus,Windstar,Taurus,Focus(getting ready to sell),Taurus and a GT500.Yes that's right I have 3 Taurus.:bandit:
Three Taurus? Wouldn't that be Three Tauri?
 

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Wow I am glad It's Friday and yesterday is over.19 employees and a bunch of contract employees lost their jobs yesterday.The bad news is it's suppose to happen again in December.
It's getting tough all over. My company laid off about 300 three weeks ago, and another 200+ are getting the ax later this month. :ack:
 

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Three Taurus? Wouldn't that be Three Tauri?


Probably.I am kinda burnt out right now.Not trying to think about trivial things.I have been working 12 hours a day,10 on the weekend while others are losing their jobs.I had a stomach ache yesterday just thinking about it.Tomorrow is family day at AAI.Kind of ironic isn't it.:info-smilie: None the less The Shelby will be on display.:bandit:
 

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I feel for everybody losing their jobs, trust me. Being a mechanical engineer involved in many different industries, I certainly see your points, and feel the pain. However.... I don't blame the buying public. It is called competition, and if you want to win, you must win by playing the better game, and not by guilting your customers into comming back. Play the better game, and you will win. The game is played by management, and when management miss plays the game, the working people suffer. I feel for those working people dearly....

A part of me certainly feels a guilt with the last two cars I have purchased which were an Acura and a Lexus, but let me tell you how I got to this place.

I have driven only American cars until the past 5 years or so. I have owned or leased a total of 17 American cars / trucks and 2 Asian cars / trucks.

I am a performance car nut, and love to drive. Starting in 2004, I needed to replace my Contour SVT. It had 90K miles on it, and I was up to about $2k in repairs for the Air Conditioning and it still was leaking. The tie rods were shot, the bearings had gone bad and the brakes were warped. The dealer had just damaged the side skirts putting it on a lift, and I was at my end.... The car had been to the dealer at least 6 times under warranty for significant problems prior. All of that said, I would have bought another, had Ford, or any of the big three for that matter, made a damn sport sedan with a manual transmission. Nobody did, so I went and tried a TSX, feeling bad about not buying American.

The TSX wasn't without fault. The dash lights failed, the throwout bearing got loud, and a zenon headlight went out. Shockingly the headlight and the throw out bearing were both out of warranty, beyond the 50000 mile mark. So how much did Honda gouge me for those out of warranty repairs you might ask??? NOTHING. They did it for customer good will. Each time being given a loaner like a TL or an MDX, both worth thousands more than my TSX. They treated me like I had bought a Bently..... After the issues were resolved, I now have 120K on it and the last 50K have been 100% trouble free. I haven't paid for a single repair. Honda has covered everyone, even out of warranty.

My wife likes SUV's. She was up to her 3rd Jeep as we were leasing every three years. the first two had problems here and there, but we delt with them. Then we pick up our brand new third one it is a complete POS. The 3rd one blew a tranny seal on the way home from new car delivery. Then about 6-7 trips back to figure out drivetrain vibration, they finally offer me a new Jeep. Argument after arguement. The new one stalls on the interstate randomly, but they can't figure it out after about 5 trips back. I take it to a used car dealer and dump it with about 8K miles on it, for $12K less than I spent on it 1 year earlier.... I decide I need to try Lexus. I can't say much about the dealer, because it has never been back. I do my own oil changes, and it has 90K and has never been back for any other service. 100% trouble free.

These are just my own personal observations. Maybe the American cars have come full circle and are now as good as the Asains?

I'd jump back in a second if they would make me a SVT Fusion. Or something like the SHO's my mom and dad had. Even my dad felt abandond and when it was time to replace the SHO he bought a TL Type S. It hurt him at 65 to buy his first Asain car, but he really wanted a performance sedan. He too gets the Bently treatment at the dealer....

I think GM looks bright with Bob Lutz. He is a car guy. My point is that we need more car people in charge and less bean counters. Every business I have seen run by bean counters has gotten smaller under their watch, never bigger and better.

When my GT500 was in last week I walked the lot for a while. A new MKS was out front. It looked AWESOME. I could buy that. It is a bit pricey, but I really really liked it. I really like the Edge, too.

So...maybe my "Buy American" guilt will kick in and I'll try it again next time. It would be easier if my experience with Acura and Lexus had gone bad, but it didn't, so this won't necessarily be easy....

But I really do think if you guys want to blame somebody, it isn't really the buying publics fault. I still don't really buy that angle..... I am crossing my fingers that these new "European" models that Ford will bring to the States will be home runs. That is what I have been griping about for years. Give me the Euro Mondeo and I will get in line at the dealership...
 
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