Anybody have a solution for the 1-2 high RPM grind issue yet in a 2011? I see lots of owners with issues on Team Shelby, but none here. I have a 2011 that would not go into second at a high RPM quick shift at first, it would just whine. Now it will go in, but grinds before it goes into second. Downshifts are fine, and shifts below 4500 are fine. Not a clutch issue as 3rd and 4th are fine at high RPMs. Lots of owners on Team Shelby have dealership appointments, but so far nobody at Ford is saying what the problem is, nor do they claim to know what to do to fix it.

get the N2MB Wotbox..........this thing works flawlessly, plant your foot, slam your gears and it goes in smooth as butter with no rejection....Ive had 3 2010 GT500's since last August 09 all with the 1-2 Shift problem, the latest shelby i decided to try the wotbox on and take my advice forget the dealer and their excuses or shady repair, keep what you got, dont touch it, just get the wotbox set it on auto and go out and bang some gears and most of all enjoy your car the way you hould have been able to off the showroom floor, i know it was the best mod I ever had on my 2010 Shelby !!!!

i've been using a wotbox on my cars for years whether i had grinding or not.

Anybody have a solution for the 1-2 high RPM grind issue yet in a 2011? I see lots of owners with issues on Team Shelby, but none here. I have a 2011 that would not go into second at a high RPM quick shift at first, it would just whine. Now it will go in, but grinds before it goes into second. Downshifts are fine, and shifts below 4500 are fine. Not a clutch issue as 3rd and 4th are fine at high RPMs. Lots of owners on Team Shelby have dealership appointments, but so far nobody at Ford is saying what the problem is, nor do they claim to know what to do to fix it.

Ford now has the fix, new 1-2 synchro assembly (currently in short supply and on backorder) new second gear, new 1-2 shift fork, new shift rail and some misc. parts. Work done, problem solved. Same work that was done on the guy's post on Team Shelby that worked with Ford on 3 transmissions. No hassle from Ford, took car to dealer, they verified the problem, called Ford,and Ford told them what to order. Shifts like it should now.

Thank you for the information. I dont have that problem yet on my 2011, but know the solution if it does develop.

Ford now has the fix, new 1-2 synchro assembly (currently in short supply and on backorder) new second gear, new 1-2 shift fork, new shift rail and some misc. parts. Work done, problem solved. Same work that was done on the guy's post on Team Shelby that worked with Ford on 3 transmissions. No hassle from Ford, took car to dealer, they verified the problem, called Ford,and Ford told them what to order. Shifts like it should now.

*really* ?

So what are they calling it so others can reference your solution?

Is there a TSB?

*really* ?

So what are they calling it so others can reference your solution?

Is there a tsb?

+1

In the event this shows up for me...I'd also like to know how long the car was down for and whether they had to DRIVE the car in the process of troubleshooting? Because I don't want some fukkin flag hour punk kid hauling ass in my car around town.

In the event this shows up for me...I'd also like to know how long the car was down for and whether they had to DRIVE the car in the process of troubleshooting? Because I don't want some fukkin flag hour punk kid hauling ass in my car around town.

Take the car to the dealer and ride with the tech.

I have the problem on my SVT 2011. I noticed it before but today it was bad going into 2 for the first time this morning. I will bring this up also when i take it in for the rear end moaning at slow turning speed.

Ford now has the fix, new 1-2 synchro assembly (currently in short supply and on backorder) new second gear, new 1-2 shift fork, new shift rail and some misc. parts. Work done, problem solved. Same work that was done on the guy's post on Team Shelby that worked with Ford on 3 transmissions. No hassle from Ford, took car to dealer, they verified the problem, called Ford,and Ford told them what to order. Shifts like it should now.

What dealer or dealers are aware of this fix, I'm taking this to my dealer in the morning, if they don't know about it who can I tell them to call?

Fast answer please!

Ford now has the fix, new 1-2 synchro assembly (currently in short supply and on backorder) new second gear, new 1-2 shift fork, new shift rail and some misc. parts. Work done, problem solved. Same work that was done on the guy's post on Team Shelby that worked with Ford on 3 transmissions. No hassle from Ford, took car to dealer, they verified the problem, called Ford,and Ford told them what to order. Shifts like it should now.

We never heard how this was achieved except "go to the dealer". No TSB, tech bulletin?

I'm almost ready to call shenanigans.

I'm going to the dealer in the morning, will post the result.

Subscribed.

Sooooo, the poster who asked the question on this thread (mikenkaren), comes back 2 months later (according to the the posting dates) , answers his own question giving us how Ford's fixing the issue and no details? WTF?
airlaird

I went to the dealer this morning, they called me and said they don't have this problem documented, high rpm 1-2 shift grind/lockout. We need a dealer that has fixed this. Where is the original poster. My dealer said they were checking with Ford, still no answer.

I copped out and bought the WOT box and MGW shifter. Still have not installed the WOT box yet but will soon. Does not sound like something they can handle at this point even though it is a real concern for many of us.

The information I got originally came from the Team Shelby site dated June 24th, 2010. The guy worked with Ford and Tremec on 3 transmissions with the problem. All 3 were fixed. If you have the problem, it will be evident right from the start, not fine at first and come on later. The problem is with the 1-2 synchro blocker rings. Some of what Tremec got from one of their suppliers was bad, Ford has pulled all current inventory from the shelves, so currently they are on back order. The new supply should be ok. They should replace the 1-2 synchro assembly, the 1 & 2 blocker rings, and second gear. There is no TSB on the problem, but Ford does know about it. I don't have all the part numbers of what was put in my car yet, I was trying to wait for the whole list before I posted this, but seemed like some of you were having trouble with your dealers. That is too bad, Ford knows about the problem, some cars have it, others don't. Print off the post on Team Shelby and take it with you to the dealer, that is what I did. I got no hassle and the Ford Service Rep told the dealer what to replace, same as the list from the Team Shelby post.

The information I got originally came from the Team Shelby site dated June 24th, 2010. The guy worked with Ford and Tremec on 3 transmissions with the problem. All 3 were fixed. If you have the problem, it will be evident right from the start, not fine at first and come on later. The problem is with the 1-2 synchro blocker rings. Some of what Tremec got from one of their suppliers was bad, Ford has pulled all current inventory from the shelves, so currently they are on back order. The new supply should be ok. They should replace the 1-2 synchro assembly, the 1 & 2 blocker rings, and second gear. There is no TSB on the problem, but Ford does know about it. I don't have all the part numbers of what was put in my car yet, I was trying to wait for the whole list before I posted this, but seemed like some of you were having trouble with your dealers. That is too bad, Ford knows about the problem, some cars have it, others don't. Print off the post on Team Shelby and take it with you to the dealer, that is what I did. I got no hassle and the Ford Service Rep told the dealer what to replace, same as the list from the Team Shelby post.

I'll see if for knows, calling SVT ASAP. don't think they are open now.

Any updates on this? new 2011 and it grinds going into 2nd when ever the tranny is cold. Nice easy shifting.

According to my dealer, M&M Ford in Epsom, NH, when they called their service hotline, they were told to replace everything relating to second gear. They replaced the 1-2 shift fork, shift rail, synchro assembly, blocker rings, first gear, second gear and some misc. parts and snap rings. I never saw the parts, so I can't tell you what the difference was, but as far as I can tell, mine now shifts fine. It has been cold in NH since the repair, and I only drove the car once. The Supercar tires have no traction in the cold, so it was hard to put any power down, but slowing bringing the RPM's up to 5,500 and quick shifting second was easy with no grind. It would grind every time above 5,000 before the repair. The car is now put up for the winter, so I won't be able to tell any more until spring.

According to my dealer, M&M Ford in Epsom, NH, when they called their service hotline, they were told to replace everything relating to second gear. They replaced the 1-2 shift fork, shift rail, synchro assembly, blocker rings, first gear, second gear and some misc. parts and snap rings. I never saw the parts, so I can't tell you what the difference was, but as far as I can tell, mine now shifts fine. It has been cold in NH since the repair, and I only drove the car once. The Supercar tires have no traction in the cold, so it was hard to put any power down, but slowing bringing the RPM's up to 5,500 and quick shifting second was easy with no grind. It would grind every time above 5,000 before the repair. The car is now put up for the winter, so I won't be able to tell any more until spring.

Hmmm, do you know if they called SVT?

Yes, is SVT aware of this? Is the May fix still in process?

I don't know if the "hotline" they called was Ford or SVT. I would guess Ford as I don't think SVT has a "hotline". That is the phrase the dealer used when I asked what Ford wanted to do to fix the problem. I don't know if SVT was involved or not.

Just ran 1/4 mile on the mustang dyno...my tranny completely blocks second unless I granny shift. Going WOTbox because I don't want the Ford dealer to do a quasi-half ass fix, then have to drive my car in WOT to test it, then have them scratch up the exterior...and have to tear into the car and risking them breaking something.

199 and done.

Once again, totally ridiculous. Ford won't admit to knowing anything on this issue, call and find out, it they do admit it, find out the name of the person you are talking with please and let us know. My dealer called Ford, no TSB, no known issues is what they say.

They know alright, they would have too, but obviously don't give a crap the impact to sales.

Yeah, I like my car, but it would be 10x better with a fix From Ford, one that every dealer knows about.

Just ran 1/4 mile on the mustang dyno...my tranny completely blocks second unless I granny shift. Going WOTbox because I don't want the Ford dealer to do a quasi-half ass fix, then have to drive my car in WOT to test it, then have them scratch up the exterior...and have to tear into the car and risking them breaking something.

199 and done.

+1
That's so the way to go. IF I ever have the issue, I'm there as well.

Hey all, Im new to the site here and have had my 2010 gt500 since january. I was out fooling around and I noticed that my car was grinding from 1st to 2nd gear WOT. I know my shifts were perfect. I launched two other times and it didnt give me any problems. Does anyone have any updated information regaurding this issue? Just like CONVERT I have issues with taking my car to the dealership to get that run around blah blah crap...epseciall if you didnt buy it there. Im kinda up a creek since the next ford dealer is 3hrs away from me. Any information would be great that I can take to them and say fix it.

Hey all, Im new to the site here and have had my 2010 gt500 since january. I was out fooling around and I noticed that my car was grinding from 1st to 2nd gear WOT. I know my shifts were perfect. I launched two other times and it didnt give me any problems. Does anyone have any updated information regaurding this issue? Just like CONVERT I have issues with taking my car to the dealership to get that run around blah blah crap...epseciall if you didnt buy it there. Im kinda up a creek since the next ford dealer is 3hrs away from me. Any information would be great that I can take to them and say fix it.

Read about the TSB on Mustangs Daily website about a month ago !

Read about the TSB on Mustangs Daily website about a month ago !

Is this the post you are referring to?
http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2011/03/31/ford-issues-tsb-for-2011-mustangs-to-resolve-cold-shifting-problems/

Change the tranny fluid???

That service bullitin was pointing at hard shifts in cold weather.....i can understand what they are saying, however im in a desert region and when my trans was acting up it was after 30min of driving so tempature is not whats wrong with my car(plus its already 90's here). I was curious as to if their was a bullitin out for the issue with the bad blocks/synchros? Im just dragging my feet going to this dealer cause they have this stuck up attitude of take it or leave it cause the next closest dealer is a solid 3hrs away. Just want to have ammo for when I go take a visit. Thanks all.

That service bullitin was pointing at hard shifts in cold weather.....i can understand what they are saying, however im in a desert region and when my trans was acting up it was after 30min of driving so tempature is not whats wrong with my car(plus its already 90's here). I was curious as to if their was a bullitin out for the issue with the bad blocks/synchros? Im just dragging my feet going to this dealer cause they have this stuck up attitude of take it or leave it cause the next closest dealer is a solid 3hrs away. Just want to have ammo for when I go take a visit. Thanks all.

Check the Shelby and SVT forum's , I have ran across many threads regarding the Synchros and grind issue's !:pimp:

The SB was (IIRC) for the 5.0 trans.

As many threads have already detailed, the grind issue is related to the blocker rings on the 1-2 synchro assembly. Mine was fixed by replacing all the parts relating to second gear. I felt at least part of the problem was related to the Mercon V synthetic fluid being too slippery, not allowing enough friction between the cone on the blocker ring and the gear.

The new TSB relates to the MT82 6 speed in the Mustang GT, the GT500 has a Tremec 6060. However, I just put the dual clutch fluid in my car today, and can't believe the difference in shift feel. I was noticing stiff shifting on cold days, and still felt it was a problem with the Mercon V. The dual clutch fluid totally resolved the problem, and all shifts are much smoother without the notchy feeling I used to get from the dual blocker ring setup on the 6060, whether it is hot or cold.

As Ford has not recommended the dual clutch fluid in the Tremec 6060 yet, I can't recommend everybody make the change. But what a difference it made in my car, and the grinding issue had already been resolved.

As many threads have already detailed, the grind issue is related to the blocker rings on the 1-2 synchro assembly. Mine was fixed by replacing all the parts relating to second gear. I felt at least part of the problem was related to the Mercon V synthetic fluid being too slippery, not allowing enough friction between the cone on the blocker ring and the gear.

The new TSB relates to the MT82 6 speed in the Mustang GT, the GT500 has a Tremec 6060. However, I just put the dual clutch fluid in my car today, and can't believe the difference in shift feel. I was noticing stiff shifting on cold days, and still felt it was a problem with the Mercon V. The dual clutch fluid totally resolved the problem, and all shifts are much smoother without the notchy feeling I used to get from the dual blocker ring setup on the 6060, whether it is hot or cold.

As Ford has not recommended the dual clutch fluid in the Tremec 6060 yet, I can't recommend everybody make the change. But what a difference it made in my car, and the grinding issue had already been resolved.

What is this dual clutch fluid ? Who makes it ? Where can you get it ?
I having the same issue with my car and I only have 500 miles on it...

The part number is XT-11-QDC, it is a Ford product made in Germany so you can get it at any dealer. Most don't stock it yet though, and the cost is around $25 per quart. You will need 3.5 quarts for the Tremec 6060.

What is this dual clutch fluid ? Who makes it ? Where can you get it ?
I having the same issue with my car and I only have 500 miles on it...

500 miles and you are taking it to red line?

500 miles and you are taking it to red line?

No... Between 3000 & 5000 RPM's

I see a lot of comments about tearing up the car with less than 1,000 miles on it. I have built race and street engines for over 30 years and have a bit of insight on break in of a new motor. The reason for the 500 to 1,000 mile break in period of old was for the camshaft and lifters. It would take that long for the slow turning camshaft to properly seat with new lifters. In today's engines, almost all have roller lifters that have no wear in period, there is no sliding surface that has to mate with another surface, so no break in period required. The rings are the crutial area. In today's engines, everybody is using low tension rings for higher fuel economy and reduced friction. Unless you are doing some full throtle pulls from 1500 rpms to 5000 or so from time to time while the rings are seating, they will not seat properly. Babying the engine and never apply full or near full throttle for the first 1000 miles will prevent the rings from seating properly. The cylinder walls will glaze over before the rings seat, and you could have problems with high oil consumption for the life of the engine. Best thing to do is a full throttle pull from about 1500 to 5000rpm or so, (preferably in 3rd gear so you get a slower rise through the rpm range), every once in a while, say every 50 to 100 miles. In between, run at constantly varying rpms, from low to about 3000. Don't run for long periods at a steady high rpm, but it is fine to run up there from time to time. By 500 miles, everything will be broken in fine, but as Ford says, don't track the car until over 1000, you don't want to run at consistantly close to red line rpms all day until everything in the car gets loosened up, and 1000 miles is a good period. That has been my advice for all the motors I have built, and others in my area that are in the same game. I am not speaking for Ford, but hope it helps those looking for more insight on the break in subject.

So... I Took my Shelby to the Dealer for this 1-2 shift grind, and got the run around. Got the excuse, they couldn't duplicate the complaint. I offer to go out with "Tech" and they said he was already on another job, so I asked the Advisor or "service Manager" to go for a ride, and he said he couldn't cause he was the only one there. He also said there was no TSB. So I asked him If I put that Dual clutch fluid in and it fixed the problem would he remburse me...He said no unless there is a TSB for it and approval from Ford.
So I'm going to check with another Dealer near my house that is supposed to be a SVT Certified Dealer ?? Hopefully I can find the some Info on the Team Shelby Website... Very Frustrated. :mofo:

I just put in the N2MB WotBox and never ever have a wot shift issue.....best thing out their....i wasnt a beleiver but after owning 3 2010 shelbys that all did the same thing i said screw it i gotta get one....bit of a pain to put it in but best mod ive done.....slam my foot to the floorpan, keep it planted and go through the gears...the box blips the ignition ever so slightly allowing for smooth as butter shifts through all the gears....the dual feature version comes with a 2 step feature....best 199 ive spent on the car to date. vid of my car with it set to default setting which is 350ms....i bit too long but u can play around with it, im gonna set it to around 200ms....it sounds like im quick on/off throttle shifting but i assure you my right foot is through the floorpan the whole way down the track....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2pV2ewi7xk

I'm not sure what effect the dual clutch fluid will have on the 1-2 grind issue, that was fixed on mine prior to changing the fluid. And it was refilled with Mercon V after the repair. I still think you need the synchro assembly and blocker rings replaced to fix that. The fluid change in my car just made cold shifting much better, and the overalll shift feel much smoother. Good luck at the other dealer.

A little update... Called a Friend of mine who I found out works a the Dealer near my House, and asked him if they had any good Techs @ his Dealer. Turns out 3 of there Techs Drive Shelby's and are more than Happy to address my problem... with any luck instead of repairing they will replace it, being that my Buddy is in Parts and His Buddies are the Techs, the planets may align on this endevour. Car only has 536 miles on it, so I don't think I'm asking to much. At this point I don't see the WOTbox, being an option... I don't think it should be neccessary to make the 1-2 shifts not grind.
I'll keep you guys posted... Calling Monday for appointment :)

A little update... Called a Friend of mine who I found out works a the Dealer near my House, and asked him if they had any good Techs @ his Dealer. Turns out 3 of there Techs Drive Shelby's and are more than Happy to address my problem... with any luck instead of repairing they will replace it, being that my Buddy is in Parts and His Buddies are the Techs, the planets may align on this endevour. Car only has 536 miles on it, so I don't think I'm asking to much. At this point I don't see the WOTbox, being an option... I don't think it should be neccessary to make the 1-2 shifts not grind.
I'll keep you guys posted... Calling Monday for appointment :)

Yeah mine has 1000 mi and ifnally got on it and sometimes 2nd went in easy and sometimes it was hard as hell to pull it in 2nd

Yeah mine has 1000 mi and ifnally got on it and sometimes 2nd went in easy and sometimes it was hard as hell to pull it in 2nd
If you get it checked, let me know how you make out...

If you get it checked, let me know how you make out...

Will do buddy hopefully your tech buddies get some info for ya keep us posted on that deal

Mine goes under the knife monday. Mine grinds really bad since day one even at 10mph clutch in and rpms down under 1000, quick shift and grind. Hign rpms wont shift at all just grind and lock out. Really hope they fix it. Can't believe that the temec 6060 in the shelby has issues but in the chally, camero, vetts, and even the viper no issue. My old viper truck had the tremec tr600 and never had any issues and it was ABUSED! i'll keep ya'll posted on the fix (hopefully).

I finally got my 2012 broke in and tried to bang a 1-2 shift and ground a pound of second instead. I would have thought Ford would have addressed this by now. I'm wondering if the WOT Box will void my warranty since I don't want the dealer screwing with it?

Find an SVT dealer and one that has a transmission tech. Let the trans work be done by replacing the parts causing the grind. The WOT box only helps you at wide open and doesn't solve the problem for a regularly non strip driven car.

my .02.

I finally got my 2012 broke in and tried to bang a 1-2 shift and ground a pound of second instead. I would have thought Ford would have addressed this by now. I'm wondering if the WOT Box will void my warranty since I don't want the dealer screwing with it?

2012,1200 miles and ditto ! also Ford is replacing the supercharger tomorrow
for a bad bearing noise at idle !:boohoo:

I gave up on the dealer with this problem and their excuse of "cannot duplicate" on my 2008. I have it in a local shop now and am paying for the improvements and a WOT box out of my own pocket. It will be nice to not have to granny shift 2nd gear anymore (hopefully).

I have had it happen to me around three times now, clutch fully depressed 1-2 twice and 3-2 once. It's odd.

Mine seems to be getting worse... Goes in thursday :cry:

Just wanted to give You Guys a Little Update:
Took the car in today, to have my 1-2 grind checked....
Good News Parts are on order !! Looking for repairs to be done sometime next week. :) Also had my first Oil change done for the record... All Future Oil Changes will be done by Me. Just needed the first one on the Books.

I randomly ran across this article discussing Ford manual transmission issues. Adding it for posterities sakes.

http://jalopnik.com/5796207/ford-silent-on-broken-mustang-transmissions

I randomly ran across this article discussing Ford manual transmission issues. Adding it for posterities sakes.

http://jalopnik.com/5796207/ford-silent-on-broken-mustang-transmissions

Thanks for posting that article, good reading. :)

excuse my ignorance but what does a WOTbox actually do? what does it look like and how is it installed?

I believe that article is about the GT not the GT500, ours is Tremec not Getrag. I guess both have issues.
Eric

There is a fix if you can find a good SVT dealer. Mine has been repaired under warranty and it works great. No more grind.

excuse my ignorance but what does a WOTbox actually do? what does it look like and how is it installed?

http://www.npcompleteperformance.com/wotbox
The ignition cut allows the synchros in your transmission to mesh easily, reducing the chance of missing a gear and damaging your transmission.

It says its for power shifting or "no-lift shifting", but people are using it to allow for smooth shifts under more normal conditions.

http://www.npcompleteperformance.com/wotbox


It says its for power shifting or "no-lift shifting", but people are using it to allow for smooth shifts under more normal conditions.

thank you.

...I'm on the bandwagon now! My '11 doesn't shift properly either...YEAH! This pisses me off I'd love to ditch this Tremec...I've had too many shifting issues with them over the years, now in my new dream car....very nice! I'm like the others and hate to take my car to the dealer to have someone screw it up in one way or another. Just my luck!

I picked up my trans from D&D today. The 2nd gear synchros and blocker were wiped out.
I'm not skilled at photobucket...but I think this is a link to the pics of what my worn parts look like at 5000 miles on my 2008. I took it in last summer before the warranty expired and they said they could "find no symptoms of a problem going into second gear". The shop that removed the trans does'nt have the clutch out yet, so I dont' know how that looks. This could get interesting...

http://s984.photobucket.com/albums/ae327/formulaf302/GT500/

*really* ?

So what are they calling it so others can reference your solution?

Is there a TSB?

They're calling it "blow off the customer until his warranty expires". Same problem on my 2008 and they claim they can't duplicate the problem. My warranty expired last month and I took it to the aftermarket for trans updates. New style synchros, shift fork, 2nd gear, blocker etc. Picked up the trans today and took it to the shop for install w/the newest style clutch etc too, and having the WOT box put in. I'm sick of being locked out of 2nd gear and getting grinding. Heres a link to the pics of my old synchros at 5000miles:

http://s984.photobucket.com/albums/ae327/formulaf302/GT500/

What are the parts you replaced. You have a parts list with numbers to help a brudda out?

Mine is in the shop for it right now, also for being extremely hard to shift under heavy acceleration (you have to really hammer it from 2-3, 3-4). The dealership here in Dallas being good, Park Cities Ford. I put on the MGW, helped some, but still hard to shift. Sigh...I have a minivan for a rental.

What are the parts you replaced. You have a parts list with numbers to help a brudda out?

Here is the parts list used for the repair of my 2011 exactly as listed on the invoice. All quantities are 1 each. After repairs car shifts properly under all conditions with no issues at this point.

7R3Z*7A082*A KIT - TRANSM CONTROL SELECTOR
7R3Z*7107*A RING - TR. 1ST SYN. BLOCKING
AR3Z*7124*AA GEAR - COUNTERSHAFT DRIVE
AR3Z*7107*A RING - SYNCHRONIZER
AR3Z*7102*AB - GEAR - MAINSHAFT 2ND SPEED
TA*30* SEALANT - SILICONE
TA*24* ADHESIVE

My parts replaced were the same, but also included: 7R3Z7289A SHAFT, 8R3Z230A FORK, 3R3Z7210AD LEVER, 1R3Z7L082AA GEAR INSERT, AND A BEARING KIT, AR3Z7025A.

Update. The dealer out here spent a day in contact w/ Ford and getting nothing from them. I went on a drive with the tech who, of course, couldn't duplicate the grind but I was able to show him how much more difficult it is to shift at high rpm's. Showed him all the posts and they are reaching back to Ford.

I, on the other hand, being a recruiter decided to find out who some people at Ford are and emailed a few folks yesterday. The response was immediate and great. The first person to call me was a guy named Henry Platts SVT & Performance Comunications at Ford Motor Company. We talked for about 1/2 an hour. He told me that SVT/Ford is very well aware of this issue and they are working on it and he forwarded my email and troubles to the VP of Engineering for the performance group at Ford.

I expect I will get the issue(s) fixed very soon. Ford has been great, almost every single person I emailed replied. From a customer service perspective I am very impressed, now let's get the issue taken care of with alacrity and I will be even more impressed.

Shifting from first to second while mashing the gas on my 2012 = grind , grind, grind !!! is there a fix or is this just a characteristic of this tranny ??? the other gears seem to be ok . What gives? >1,200 miles on her so far .

Im taking mine in monday. Its just 1-2 on mine all the other gears feel okay I hope they can fix it!

Im taking mine in monday. Its just 1-2 on mine all the other gears feel okay I hope they can fix it!

What year is yours ? keep us posted on the results please !:pimp:

Mine's a 2011 and for sure I let yall know what they tell me

Hope Your problems get fixed... My parts are on order for my 1-2 shift grind.
They will be replacing everything to do with 2nd Gear... I'll keep you guy's posted, when my baby goes under the knife :indifferent:
I would prefer to do the work myself, but being that it has only 1100 miles on it and under warranty... I guess I'll have to trust them. :(

Just tried to speed shift 1st to 2nd on my 2011 and grind,grind,grind. Is there any a teck bulletin out on this yet? Going to dealer next week and would sure like to be able to make this simple.

I ordered up a Wotbox yesterday to see if that will eliminate the issue without taking my car in for all that work...I'd like to try and clear this issue on my own without the aid of a dealer. In my mind dealer service never works out for me...its just been my luck. I hope it all works out for you and the issue is fixed...if this wotbox doesn't correct it then I'm going to take it to Ford and use the ammo here! Thanks for the info.

I found on my 2010 that it's just fine after the trans warms up.

back in shop...couldn't get it in to reverse yesterday and engine wouldn't start. Then, all of a sudden decided to start and I could get it in reverse. Then a knocking sound starting coming out of the gearbox area. A field service engineer is coming out look at it, just replace the faulty transmission, simple. Sigh...What I fail to understand is if Ford is aware of it and so many people are reporting the problem why aren't the dealers made aware of it and a fix being applied. Obviously Ford is trying to get Tremec to bear responsibility, but how does that help those of us with cars that are losing their allure.

back in shop...couldn't get it in to reverse yesterday and engine wouldn't start. Then, all of a sudden decided to start and I could get it in reverse. Then a knocking sound starting coming out of the gearbox area. A field service engineer is coming out look at it, just replace the faulty transmission, simple. Sigh...What I fail to understand is if Ford is aware of it and so many people are reporting the problem why aren't the dealers made aware of it and a fix being applied. Obviously Ford is trying to get Tremec to bear responsibility, but how does that help those of us with cars that are losing their allure.

Let em have it :fight: I am next to take on the fight as well ! and keep us posted please:pimp:

Just got mine back. Changed everything to do with second gear and it still grinds. Drove a 12 shelby here and it does the same thing! Drove a 5.0 and smooth as silk! Don't know what else to do. Even the trans tech said he has no clue and he couldn't get it to go in 2nd. High rpm and it locks 2nd out completely.

Let me take it to the track and I guarantee no more grind. Just needs a good old fashion wood shed visit. The more those techs experiment the worse things will get. Drive it and enjoy it. Just my 2cents. I was one of the first to destroy the synchros in second and since then Ford, has in my opinion, corrected the problem. Still running the ceramic clutch and love it. This is a muscle car and has a feel which is different from most you will drive. If you are still not satisfied with second then trade her in and get the 5.0 if that is what you are looking for. Sorry the Shelby has not met your expectations but I think most would disagree.

I have a 2010 with the same issue everyone else reports, however I don't think they're going to be able to do anything about it. I've been an avid follower of this thread as well as many others and from what I can tell this is a characteristic of the TR6060. Check out the chevy forums and you'll see the z06 & Camaro guys report the same thing.

I've resigned myself to granny shifting second gear, it isn't a big deal for me. I don't drag the car.

I agree that this is a characteristic of the TR6060 and is more obvious in start up as opposed to letting the tranny reach warm running conditions. Some have experimented with different tranny fluids and additives but I find driving it like you stole it is the best and most fun.

I had the trans repaired under warranty and no more 2nd gear grind. I can say with confidence the trans is a completely new experience and is now flawless in low to high performance driving situations.

I had the trans repaired under warranty and no more 2nd gear grind. I can say with confidence the trans is a completely new experience and is now flawless in low to high performance driving situations.

Hmm, care to share your replacement parts list with us ? mine is a 2012 and grinds under heavy acceleration from 1st to 2nd , so you're saying they have a redesign for the new design and mind still grinds ???:pimp:

Mine was also fixed with new parts, everything related to second gear. There are not new redesigned parts, Tremec just got some bad parts from a supplier. The 2012 has the same Tremec 6060 transmission as the 2010 and 2011. Even though your car is a 2012, your transmission could have been built a while ago with the bad parts. Hopefully, all the bad parts have been purged from inventory, and good parts will solve your problem. It did on mine.

Hmm, care to share your replacement parts list with us ? mine is a 2012 and grinds under heavy acceleration from 1st to 2nd , so you're saying they have a redesign for the new design and mind still grinds ???:pimp:

I am fairly certain I posted my parts list in this thread or over at TS. I'll try and take a look, but you might find it before I do.

The parts list is earlier in this thread for both of our repairs. Mine had some additional parts, like a shift rail and fork.

Mine is at the Dealer right now, going under the knife... They gave me a courtesy call Today @ lunch time to let me know it would be ready Tomorrow Evening... I can't Wait !! :rocker: I'll Update you Guys Tomorrow.

At least I didn't have to call them... They're on the Ball So Far. :pimp:

Let me take it to the track and I guarantee no more grind. Just needs a good old fashion wood shed visit. The more those techs experiment the worse things will get. Drive it and enjoy it. Just my 2cents. I was one of the first to destroy the synchros in second and since then Ford, has in my opinion, corrected the problem. Still running the ceramic clutch and love it. This is a muscle car and has a feel which is different from most you will drive. If you are still not satisfied with second then trade her in and get the 5.0 if that is what you are looking for. Sorry the Shelby has not met your expectations but I think most would disagree.

:thinkerg:I must say I disagree...it ain't fixed...period. Should it be by now...YES. I've had Mustangs most of my life ('80, '86 GT, '87 GT, '03 Mach 1) and never had this issue with any of them. The '87 GT had a Tremec 3550 I installed (since years ago that was the best) and the '03 Mach had a Tremec 3650 and they never had issues and shifted like butter...plain and simple...I do have a $55K car that don't shift right...thats the bottom line here. IMO, that's an issue that needs addressing the right way i.e. Ford saying YES these are screwed up, let me help you out. I don't want my tranny rebuilt, give me a new/problem fixed one. Everyone knows what happens when you go to the dealer, nothing gets fixed and in the meantime they screw something else up...thats my .02. No hating on you, but I read too many people with the same problem here...thats not isolated car/incident...thats a problem with a part.

Update:

I sent some rather directed emails to the folks at Ford, pretty high up the food chain, and Ford is sending two people out from Motor City to fix my car. One is a powertrain engineer from SVT the other some sort of technician. They have given my dealer a list of parts to order (will post the list when I get it) and are then coming out, likely next week.

My dealer, Park Cities Ford in Dallas, has been great! Seriously, they've just been hamstrung by Ford and until given the go by Ford on what/how to fix it they can't do sh*t.

Hopefully my next update is a fix.

11 grinds and counting...

Let me take it to the track and I guarantee no more grind. Just needs a good old fashion wood shed visit. The more those techs experiment the worse things will get. Drive it and enjoy it. Just my 2cents. I was one of the first to destroy the synchros in second and since then Ford, has in my opinion, corrected the problem. Still running the ceramic clutch and love it. This is a muscle car and has a feel which is different from most you will drive. If you are still not satisfied with second then trade her in and get the 5.0 if that is what you are looking for. Sorry the Shelby has not met your expectations but I think most would disagree.

The car doesn't need a track thrashing to correct the 2nd gear grind. After the trans is fixed it's a completely different driving experience and way more enjoyable. It always got slightly better after it was good and warmed up/hot but even cold now it's completely grind free. Thrashing it just makes it worse.

Dealer called at 1:00 said the car is ready... Waitin' for the wife to get Home, then we'll pick it up. I'll let you guys know in a few hours how it is. :)

Good Luck! I'm looking forward to hearing the results from you since mine is a grinder too!

Got home with the car about an hour ago... Everything is good, the gearbox has a totally different feel... What a difference. :pimp:

Here is the Parts Listed on my Invoice:

1) AR3Z-7124-AA SYNCHRONIZER A
1) 7R3Z-7107-A RING - TR. 1ST
1) AR3Z-7107-A RING-SYNCHRO
1) 7R3Z-7A082-B KIT- WASHERS
1) 7R3Z-7A082-A KIT- TRANSM C
2) 1R3Z-7L082-AA INSERT - GEAR
1) B-101 CLEANER
1) TA-30 SEALANT
5) XT-5-QM FLUID - TRANS


Hope this Helps Someone Else...

Update:

I sent some rather directed emails to the folks at Ford, pretty high up the food chain, and Ford is sending two people out from Motor City to fix my car. One is a powertrain engineer from SVT the other some sort of technician. They have given my dealer a list of parts to order (will post the list when I get it) and are then coming out, likely next week.

My dealer, Park Cities Ford in Dallas, has been great! Seriously, they've just been hamstrung by Ford and until given the go by Ford on what/how to fix it they can't do sh*t.

Hopefully my next update is a fix.

11 grinds and counting...

Bioderek, I'm around 3hrs from Dallas (Bossier City) I was wondering if your dealer will continue to aid others with this issue and help out. I wouldn't mind driving over there and leaving my car if I knew it would be fixed properly and done by someone experienced with the issue. Could you give me the name of the service provider you've worked with there...maybe a pm if you dont want to chuck them under a bus. If I'm going to start modding this car I would rather it be right before I made any changes. Thanks!


Matt

Got home with the car about an hour ago... Everything is good, the gearbox has a totally different feel... What a difference. :pimp:

Here is the Parts Listed on my Invoice:

1) AR3Z-7124-AA SYNCHRONIZER A
1) 7R3Z-7107-A RING - TR. 1ST
1) AR3Z-7107-A RING-SYNCHRO
1) 7R3Z-7A082-B KIT- WASHERS
1) 7R3Z-7A082-A KIT- TRANSM C
2) 1R3Z-7L082-AA INSERT - GEAR
1) B-101 CLEANER
1) TA-30 SEALANT
5) XT-5-QM FLUID - TRANS


Hope this Helps Someone Else...

Must feel good to have the car you paid for working the way it was made to be! Congrats!

Must feel good to have the car you paid for working the way it was made to be! Congrats!

It does... For the first time since I own the car I was able to lay down a 2 patches without Grinding. What a Nice Feeling :grinbiginvert:
I see New Tires in my Future !! :rofl:

Well I finally decided to bring my car in and I printed off your list got tired of the grind see what happens ?

I posted my issues back in early april with my 2nd gear grind problem. A couple of you posted the part numbers to what ford replaced exactly. With that information I took my car into the dealership here with the mindset im not taking "no" for an answer. The tech new about the issues in the 08 and 09 he said but the claimed ford and tremec fixed everything with the 2010's. I laughed and said no there are issues with 2010 and 2011's and ford knows about the issue but has not posted a TSB. I told him it depends on what dealership wants to take care of their customers and which one doesnt. After 15min or going back and fourth I finally got them to contact their ford rep who wanted me to take the tech for a drive to duplicate the problem. right out of the dealer lot got it to grind(thankgod cause mine doesnt do it all the time). Tech said he will order parts to fix the issue. Parts on order. I'll post an update as to what they did when its complete. Now i hope they fix it right to where its not worse than what it already is. Stupid Stealerships.

I posted my issues back in early april with my 2nd gear grind problem. A couple of you posted the part numbers to what ford replaced exactly. With that information I took my car into the dealership here with the mindset im not taking "no" for an answer. The tech new about the issues in the 08 and 09 he said but the claimed ford and tremec fixed everything with the 2010's. I laughed and said no there are issues with 2010 and 2011's and ford knows about the issue but has not posted a TSB. I told him it depends on what dealership wants to take care of their customers and which one doesnt. After 15min or going back and fourth I finally got them to contact their ford rep who wanted me to take the tech for a drive to duplicate the problem. right out of the dealer lot got it to grind(thankgod cause mine doesnt do it all the time). Tech said he will order parts to fix the issue. Parts on order. I'll post an update as to what they did when its complete. Now i hope they fix it right to where its not worse than what it already is. Stupid Stealerships.
I went through the same thing with the Dealer I bought the car from, they told me they checked fluid level in the Trans, but they didn't.... I'm glad yours acted up with the tech along. I hope they put a good trans tech on it, mine turned out great. Good Luck !!

Well I'm gonna have to wait for my field engineer to come but I am not optomistic at all. Did a google search for tremec tr6060 grind and vette,chally,camareo and g8 forums have the same issue. Seems to be common with these trannys. Sucks!!

Update:

I sent some rather directed emails to the folks at Ford, pretty high up the food chain, and Ford is sending two people out from Motor City to fix my car. One is a powertrain engineer from SVT the other some sort of technician. They have given my dealer a list of parts to order (will post the list when I get it) and are then coming out, likely next week.

My dealer, Park Cities Ford in Dallas, has been great! Seriously, they've just been hamstrung by Ford and until given the go by Ford on what/how to fix it they can't do sh*t.

Hopefully my next update is a fix.

11 grinds and counting...

How did this go? Could you share your contacts at Ford?

Hi Folks, new to this thread from Miami. I have a 2011 Shelby bought in October 2010. My 1-2 shift does not grind (yet?), but it is sometimes difficult for 2nd gear to actually engage. Have to use a bit more force to shift, else it will kick to neutral once I let go of the clutch.

No problems with all other gears, but they are not smooth, rather knobby. Dealer said this is the way it is. Any suggestions as to how can I smooth out shifting? Anyone experience the same issue on the 1-2 shift before starting to grind?

Read further back in the thread. I had the 1-2 grind on a 2011, which was fixed at the dealer. But I still had a higher than normal shift effort when tranny fluid was cold, and a notchy feel in all gears all the time. I changed the tranny fluid to the dual clutch fluid recommend in a TSB for the GT transmission. Ford has not issued a TSB for it in the Tremec 6060 yet, but as soon as I changed it over, the cold problem was gone. And so was the notchy feeling going into all gears. It now shifts smooth into every gear without that bump-bump I used to feel going into the next gear. It's not cheap, but I am happy with the change in my car. I left about 1/2 quart of Mercon in the tranny to turn the dual clutch fluid red, just in case I have to take it back to the dealer for anything else. I don't see why they would have an issue with the transmission fluid change, but just in case, it now looks red like the mercon.

Well I took my shelby into texas motors ford in fort worth tx Friday and they couldn't find a grind issue so i went on a test ride with the tech the damn car shift perfect every time. So I drove it all weekend the car shift's fine now I don't know what the hell! But I hope it shifts this way all the time!

Had the transmission replaced, has not ground yet, but as difficult or more difficult to shift under heavy load (acceleration). Obviously replacing the transmission that has the same sh*tty parts is not a fix.

Had the transmission replaced, has not ground yet, but as difficult or more difficult to shift under heavy load (acceleration). Obviously replacing the transmission that has the same sh*tty parts is not a fix.



Total BS ! :bangin:

Apparently ford saw my video on YouTube and sent a email to my service manager of the video and said if I read page 9 of my owners manuel that I would see that it's gonna make noise due to it's high performance nature!! Can't believe it. I can hold the clutch in for 3 seconds and speed shift and grind. Really disappointed. I have never even spun the tires!!

Apparently ford saw my video on YouTube and sent a email to my service manager of the video and said if I read page 9 of my owners manuel that I would see that it's gonna make noise due to it's high performance nature!! Can't believe it. I can hold the clutch in for 3 seconds and speed shift and grind. Really disappointed. I have never even spun the tires!!

That's ridiculous. I sent the video to the VP of Sales, Marketing, and Service for Ford, but that was yesterday.

The second gear parts finally arrived and the dealer. They replaced everything to do with 2nd gear. Took the car for a test drive with the mechanic and it still grinds from 1st to 2nd. They contacted Ford and a Rep/Engineer will be in the area late next week. They want to see what the car is doing....cross your fingers they will get this right. Will update with any further information. All I can say is at least Ford and the dealership i was afraid of is actually doing something about this.

Update:

New trans put in, has only ground once (of course this happen 1-2 flooring it at 6k rpms and no I didn't miss shift). Still a b*tch to shift at high rpm. New parts being sent out and field service engineer being sent out. Ford has acknowledged I'm not the only one having the difficulty with shifting at high rpms. The 11th is when they are supposed to be here...

Was out of town on vacation why I have been missing.

Let you know soon!

Have the same problem...its a synchcro thing.....especially bad when the trans is cold. Have you have any luck?????

I have an appointment to get mine looked at this Wednesday. The service manager there has a GT500 so I'm really hoping he has some clue before hand about the issue and can help finding a solution.

I drove it today playing with it and recreating it. Mine does it almost 100% of the time when I'm trying to shift quickly, even if I leave the clutch to the floor. If I pause before bringing the stick back it seems to go in to gear fine almost every time.

I'm just hoping that they try to fix the problem instead of telling me to shift slower, but I'm ready for the long fight if they don't want to fix it.

Took mine in today. Got a little pucker factor when I walked in and the service manager says "Was that you I saw down at the strip last week?" I don't know if they can void anything for running it on the strip but I really didn't want to have to fight that fight. He didn't say anything else about it though and I talked to him just a little bit about his 2007 GT500 that he races down there.

I took the tech out for a test drive and right out of the lot it ground shifting into second. Just to prove it was only that gear I went through a couple of others and even a fast 3-2 shift and they all went perfect. He said he agreed that there was definately something wrong and they are working on it now.

I hope I'm one of the lucky ones that actually gets it fixed. Best car I have ever owned but that shifting thing really gets to me.

I'm glad that my dad is a ASE certified Ford Mechanic. When I purchase mine within 6 months, and if it grinds I'll tell you guys how to fix it. My dad will make parts if he needs to fix it so maybe I could find a $$market$$ for this :D

Ran into the service manager at the strip tonight. Said he just finished my car tonight. The 2nd gear was put in backwards...

Ran into the service manager at the strip tonight. Said he just finished my car tonight. The 2nd gear was put in backwards...

This is the 2nd example of this that has been posted. Mine is in the shop as well.I hope my fix is as simple but I fear not.

Ran into the service manager at the strip tonight. Said he just finished my car tonight. The 2nd gear was put in backwards...I have heard of the synchro been backwards, but 2nd gear this is scary stuff.

Got the car back today. Still grinds...

I called the people that make the transmission and they are supposed to call me back. Sounds like they are going to try and blame Ford... /shrug

I'm going to go back to the dealership tomorrow and talk to them some more and make a few phone calls. If they want to keep trying to fix it I am more than willing to let them. Don't know what I'm going to do otherwise.

Shelby Mustang has been my dream car, but after 15+ years driving a stick I really don't know if I can teach myself how to shift differently before I tear the transmission up. When I am trying to get up and go it's just automatic to shift fast.

Got the car back today. Still grinds...

I called the people that make the transmission and they are supposed to call me back. Sounds like they are going to try and blame Ford... /shrug

I'm going to go back to the dealership tomorrow and talk to them some more and make a few phone calls. If they want to keep trying to fix it I am more than willing to let them. Don't know what I'm going to do otherwise.

Shelby Mustang has been my dream car, but after 15+ years driving a stick I really don't know if I can teach myself how to shift differently before I tear the transmission up. When I am trying to get up and go it's just automatic to shift fast.

Did you have the dealer try it out before they returned it to you?

Subscribing to this thread, I have a 2012 and have experienced this a couple of times, initially I thought I just needed to get use to this tranny, but now I see it may actually be a mechanical problem.

From what some are saying on here, Vette's and other vehicles with this Tremec are having similar issues. Seams like it would be hard for Tremec to put the blame on Ford, if that is the case.

Anyway, in for updates, I have 1200 miles on my car, hate to bring it to the dealer, but if it starts to become a recurring problem, then I'll have to do it.

I have the same problem- 550 miles on the car. It ground 1-2 shift about 8-10 times so far. I put the WOT shift box in that cuts the ignition between shifts and it did it 2-2 times. I'm going to try to slow down my shifting and see if that works before I take it in. I'm scared to leave it with the dealer- especially since most folks report it doesn't get fixed.

I also might refill it with AMSOIL ATF- I heard that helps.

I have the same problem- 550 miles on the car. It ground 1-2 shift about 8-10 times so far. I put the WOT shift box in that cuts the ignition between shifts and it did it 2-2 times. I'm going to try to slow down my shifting and see if that works before I take it in. I'm scared to leave it with the dealer- especially since most folks report it doesn't get fixed.

I also might refill it with AMSOIL ATF- I heard that helps.

I switched to AMSOIL ATF and noticed a nice difference in smoothness and engagement.

Did you have the dealer try it out before they returned it to you?

Yeah, they said they drove it and I shouldn't have any issues. If I take it in again I will try to ride along with them as they drive it to see if they are shifting it fast.

I called Ford and Tremec. Everyone is acting like it's the first they have heard of the issue... Supposed to hear from another Ford rep. tomorrow. Tremec wants to know what kind of fluid and how much they have in it. I think they are going to throw the blame at Ford.

I'm going to print out a few of the threads on this issue and send them in. I want to know right away if they are going to acknowledge the problem or not. If they are going to blame me in the end I don't want the car to sit in the shop all summer.

With over about half the shelby owners out there having the same problem there's no way legally they can ignore this. You paid for a high performance product, not a granny shifting grocery getter.

Yeah, they said they drove it and I shouldn't have any issues. If I take it in again I will try to ride along with them as they drive it to see if they are shifting it fast.

I called Ford and Tremec. Everyone is acting like it's the first they have heard of the issue... Supposed to hear from another Ford rep. tomorrow. Tremec wants to know what kind of fluid and how much they have in it. I think they are going to throw the blame at Ford.

I'm going to print out a few of the threads on this issue and send them in. I want to know right away if they are going to acknowledge the problem or not. If they are going to blame me in the end I don't want the car to sit in the shop all summer.

Oh...they know about the problem...after a few failed attempts at a clean pass (shifting wise) at the 37th Annual Shelby Meet in Tulsa I ran over to the Tremec stand and tried to hand the keys to the Tremec rep. He said..."Its not our fault, Ford mounted the shifter to the body/trans so when the car is under load/torque it causes the mechanical parts to misalign causing the issue." So I ran over to Mr. Jamal (the head guy for the GT500) and told him my story and he said they have a "Wait and see attitude on the issue, but they DO know about it." I expressed my unhappiness with the car and told him my "dream car" is letting me down...my '08 M3 had no issues, now I have a brand new $55K car with a sucky tranny...

I was on my way to the dealer to get my car looked at. I decided to first do some backroad "testing" and varying my shifting to see if I can get around it. Bottom line is that I can shift without grinding.

Even at redline, if I pause the shifter right at the start of the #2 gate, then pull it in, no grind. It's about a 1/2 second pause that's required. Now one issue is that I can't pull it off with the WOT shift box with its 350ms timed ignition cut. It works for all the other gears, but for 1-2, that 1/2 second pause lets the engine start reving again as I let the clutch off and the tires start spinning and the rear end was stepping out towards the jersey wall to my right (even with traction control on!).

So for now, I'm either letting off the gas for the 1-2 shift, or I have to stretch the delay in the N2MB WOT box for longer than 350ms....

So for you grinders- go run it up to 6000rpm, left off gas, hit the clutch, pull the stick back and pause .5 seconds before pulling it all the way back into second- then see if you still get a grind.

Just got it back again today with a new transmission installed by Ford. Took it out for a spin and the grind is still there.

I went back to Ford and talked to them. Took the mechanic out with me again and showed him the grind. He had also driven the car before and got it to grind. I let him drive it again and he was getting it to shift without grinding this time by applying pressure to the left while bringing it back. I tried it and it seems to be working OK that way. I'm going to give it a shot for a couple weeks and see if it is going to work.

I still think there is an issue. If I can get around it and still shift fast I am more than willing to give it a shot.

Just got it back again today with a new transmission installed by Ford. Took it out for a spin and the grind is still there.

I went back to Ford and talked to them. Took the mechanic out with me again and showed him the grind. He had also driven the car before and got it to grind. I let him drive it again and he was getting it to shift without grinding this time by applying pressure to the left while bringing it back. I tried it and it seems to be working OK that way. I'm going to give it a shot for a couple weeks and see if it is going to work.

I still think there is an issue. If I can get around it and still shift fast I am more than willing to give it a shot.

You should list that on this threat as Ford Customer Service is following the issue. They've called me twice keeping me up to date with the status of the repair from my dealer.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/mustang-gt500/300732-grind-1st-2nd-ideas-2.html

It was reported on Fox News the FTA is investigating 2011-12 Ford Mustangs with shifting problems.. manual transmissions only. It's probably leading to a recall.

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Nice. After I got adjusted to shifting with pressure to the left I was shifting quicker again and still had the grind something fierce.

Still only 1-2. 2-3 and 3-4 are super smooth even at WOT with just a quick clutch.

They are investigating the GT and V6 tranny thats made in China. NOT the Tremec GT500 tranny.

They are investigating the GT and V6 tranny thats made in China. NOT the Tremec GT500 tranny.

You've got to be kidding me! I cant do a decent quick shift into 2nd without the GRIND. Wont race any Camaros or Challengers since Id probably get my lunch handed to me!

I sure hope this issue gets resolved soon.

I have a 2012 that had the 1-2 grind problem. Took it to the dealer and they were not much impressed and offered no help. At 6000 miles I installed an MGW shifter and the problem went away. Now shifts much better all around, although there is more gear noise due to the lack of Ford's sloppy bushings.
I know Ford should not allow the grind to happen in the first place, but at least it's solved and I never had to have it rebuilt.

been there, done that. Mine was much worse, grinding going into second if shifting even remotely quickly. There's a TSB from Ford; just got the car back from Tasca Ford in Cranston, RI yesterday. They rebuilt the gearbox (a synchro issue) and put in a MGD shifter for me. Shifter is GREAT! Gearbox only grinds on first shift of the day before warmed up. highly recommended. Tasca has a Shelby Mod Shop.; ask for Mod Shop if you call there for service.

been there, done that. Mine was much worse, grinding going into second if shifting even remotely quickly. There's a TSB from Ford; just got the car back from Tasca Ford in Cranston, RI yesterday. They rebuilt the gearbox (a synchro issue) and put in a MGD shifter for me. Shifter is GREAT! Gearbox only grinds on first shift of the day before warmed up. highly recommended. Tasca has a Shelby Mod Shop.; ask for Mod Shop if you call there for service.

Did Ford pay for the shifter? Did you mean "MGW" shifter?

My shelby went in yesterday and the dealer started the tranny tear-down. They called saying they need 4 specialized tools they didn't know about and they are going to possibly take another week to source. So I'm out of my car for now.

More to follow...

Sorry- yes, MGW. Seems even better today. No, Ford didn't pay for the shifter, that's not the problem, but the stock shifter sucked. This one's great!

Thanks for the info. I've been on the fence about buying the shifter. Only thing that's been stopping me is that I don't want to have to pay out of my pocket and spend the time on an install to correct a factory defect.

Update, they found tools at regional tech training center. Dealer will have them tomorrow.

Zimm17

Looking forward to hearing how your fix goes. Please keep us up updated!

Thanks,
Gary

I took mine into Fremont Ford this morning and the Advisor was very cool. The whole service dept is knowledgeable and they have great SVT competence there. Anyway, the Advisor said they would take a look at the trans and that they had to follow a diagnostic flow that first included changing out the fluid to dual clutch fluid (@ $130+ cost to them, the stuff ain't cheap - there's a TSB for this) and then if it continued they would likely need to replace the trans. I picked up the car 4 hours later after they had changed the fluid and I'm happy to report that once the trans was warm that the 1-2 shift was MUCH improved. Had the problem once more when the car was 1/2 of fully warmed temp, but it went away completely once at temp. Bear in mind that the car has only 500 miles on it. I'm expecting that it will likely get a bit better and more smoothe with time, at least that was my experience with my Challenger with the same trans. Two thumbs up for the tranny fluid change and the great service from Fremont Ford

Update: FIXED!!!

I just picked up the car today and did 5 full rpm shifts from 1-2 with no grind! There's a tiny delay getting into gear, but it goes and no grinding. The car is seriously fast!

They had to replace 1st and 2nd gear synros.

Good deal, congrats.

I have a 2011 GT500 Shelby that has 1600 miles on it. First to second shift is getting worse even put a new MGW shifter in it, left it long throw to be smooth, still no help. Ford said that they have no idea of this problem. My dealership said that they had no knowledge of this problem however when I delevered my car to the dealership for repair there was another GT500 Shelby on the lift for repair of the same problem with the transmission. Can anyone give me some advise what to do with this problem other than taking the transmission apart. Has anyone had their trans replaced with the new 2012 transmission seeing that it has the updated fix in it?

I have a 2011 GT500 Shelby that has 1600 miles on it. First to second shift is getting worse even put a new MGW shifter in it, left it long throw to be smooth, still no help. Ford said that they have no idea of this problem. My dealership said that they had no knowledge of this problem however when I delevered my car to the dealership for repair there was another GT500 Shelby on the lift for repair of the same problem with the transmission. Can anyone give me some advise what to do with this problem other than taking the transmission apart. Has anyone had their trans replaced with the new 2012 transmission seeing that it has the updated fix in it?

My 2012 had the problem, so a new tranny won't likely do it.

What do you mean by Ford has no idea? You need to get corporate level customer service involved. They will contact you and the dealer and follow the whole thing through completion.

You need to go over to the thread at Allfordmustang.com and PM "Deysha" your name, number, VIN, etc. She'll get the process going for you.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/mustang-gt500/300732-grind-1st-2nd-ideas.html

You need to go over to the thread at Allfordmustang.com and PM "Deysha" your name, number, VIN, etc. She'll get the process going for you.

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/mustang-gt500/300732-grind-1st-2nd-ideas.html

This is what I did and it has made all the difference in the level of service and support I've received. My car has been in for 2 weeks and is supposed to be ready this afternoon, but I've had Ford Corporate call me 3 times over the past week to check up and update me on status, this in addition to what the dealer has done. If you have the problem, and it sounds like you do, notify the contact above and go document the problem with your dealer. The tranny needs to come out and rebuilt - no other way around it if you want it fixed now (not sure how/if it will be addressed any differently in the future, though I imagine if it is widespread enough that they will have a swap-out tranny waiting that has been certified not to have the issues). Will hopefully have a positive update assuming my car is ready on time this afternoon.

Thanks for the information my car is going back to dealer Monday and I will post what what happens then. I am Enjoying the car and my car just won best Shelby and Boss at Fun Ford Weekend. Can not wait to correct the shift problem.

Update: Car is fixed and it is a blast to drive as it was intended. Ford customer service stepped up big and did me right. They didn't create the problem, but they did their very best to fix it and were successful. MAKE SURE you reach out to Deysha on the other forum and get her involved...this is a key step if you have this issue.

Update: Car is fixed and it is a blast to drive as it was intended. Ford customer service stepped up big and did me right. They didn't create the problem, but they did their very best to fix it and were successful. MAKE SURE you reach out to Deysha on the other forum and get her involved...this is a key step if you have this issue.


Hmm , hard to believe this problem is fixed ? my 2012 has had the grind
from 1st to 2nd from day one, under hard acceleration ! Every forum I have
read about this problem says this is a characteristic of this tranny ?:pimp:

Hmm , hard to believe this problem is fixed ? my 2012 has had the grind
from 1st to 2nd from day one, under hard acceleration ! Every forum I have
read about this problem says this is a characteristic of this tranny ?:pimp:


It's characteristic of the ones that were flawed from the Tremec factory. My workorder says they found damage on the synchro sleeve, bearing, detent, and 2nd gear...replaced everything to do with 2nd. I was mostly concerned about high RPM but it ended up shifting better at every RPM. Nobody's forcing you to get it done, but I'm sure glad I did it. YMMV.

If you're really reticent to do it, you could change out the fluid to a synchromesh (at the risk of your warranty). This has eased synchro engagement for many hi-po 6060 drivers.

Hmm , hard to believe this problem is fixed ? my 2012 has had the grind
from 1st to 2nd from day one, under hard acceleration ! Every forum I have
read about this problem says this is a characteristic of this tranny ?:pimp:

Hard to believe? You sound like an idiot. If you don't take it in, enjoy the grind...

GTOGreg- congrats! Welcome to the club of FIXED GT500's.

Mine is fixed- as in good enough to rip redline shifts with the WOTbox. Now I can't keep the tires planted shifting to second. But that's another problem.

I want to know more about the WOTbox! Are you running catless downpipes? Any track times with it, or just anecdotal bliss?!

Thanks Zimm17 and congrats on your fix as well.

I want to know more about the WOTbox! Are you running catless downpipes? Any track times with it, or just anecdotal bliss?!

Thanks Zimm17 and congrats on your fix as well.

There's another thread on the WOTbox- don't want to take this thread off track. But I'm running cats, and haven't been to the track yet. The WOT shifts are awesome though. Haven't tried the launch control yet.

Update: Car is fixed and it is a blast to drive as it was intended. Ford customer service stepped up big and did me right. They didn't create the problem, but they did their very best to fix it and were successful. MAKE SURE you reach out to Deysha on the other forum and get her involved...this is a key step if you have this issue.


GTOGreg,

Good to hear you got yours fixed, I've been reluctant to take mine in since it's my daily driver, I stopped by my local dealer the other day and asked if they were aware of any TSB or issues with the tranny, it was like talking to a dear in the headlights. They also didn't know anything about the clutch packs in the rear end making moaning noises.(TSB recommends adding friction modifier)

I've heard of others getting tranny parts replaced, but still had issues :-(

Anyhow, do you have the work order with what parts they replaced? and are you referring to TMS as the other site where Deysha hangs out?

Thanks!!

Deysha is over at allfordmustangs. I have a link posted earlier in this thread. Join up over there and PM her. After ford corporate calls you, they will call your dealership. Dealer will jump through hoops for you after "corporate" is involved and elevated the case to the highest level.

Went back to the dealer today and still they stated that no record of this problem exisits. They said that they are going to order the part that they think they need and I will have to go back again. Thanks GTOGreg for the information. I am contacting her. Hopefully this will all be corrected soon and I will post again once I have a answer.

Deysha is over at allfordmustangs. I have a link posted earlier in this thread. Join up over there and PM her. After ford corporate calls you, they will call your dealership. Dealer will jump through hoops for you after "corporate" is involved and elevated the case to the highest level.

Thanks zimm17 :-) I will follow up with her.

Thanks for all the info posted. So far my 2012 has had no issues with 1-2 shift grinding at high RPM. I actually went out yesterday and beat on her pretty good, about ten 1-2 shifts at high RPM 5500+ and it did just fine with no grinding.

I currently have ~1100 miles on her, did I just get lucky and get one that does'nt have the problem or do you think it may happen once there are some more miles on the clock ? Are there any others out there without the 1-2 issue ?

Thanks for all the info posted. So far my 2012 has had no issues with 1-2 shift grinding at high RPM. I actually went out yesterday and beat on her pretty good, about ten 1-2 shifts at high RPM 5500+ and it did just fine with no grinding.

I currently have ~1100 miles on her, did I just get lucky and get one that does'nt have the problem or do you think it may happen once there are some more miles on the clock ? Are there any others out there without the 1-2 issue ?

I waited until about 700 miles to try a 5500rpm 1-2 shift and it failed. It still fails at 2100 miles. I'm guessing you're in the clear :bigthumb:

I waited until about 700 miles to try a 5500rpm 1-2 shift and it failed. It still fails at 2100 miles. I'm guessing you're in the clear :bigthumb:



Um, I thought the test was at 4000 RPM's ???????????????

Um, I thought the test was at 4000 RPM's ???????????????

Not sure what you mean. What "test"?

Thanks for all the info posted. So far my 2012 has had no issues with 1-2 shift grinding at high RPM. I actually went out yesterday and beat on her pretty good, about ten 1-2 shifts at high RPM 5500+ and it did just fine with no grinding.

I currently have ~1100 miles on her, did I just get lucky and get one that does'nt have the problem or do you think it may happen once there are some more miles on the clock ? Are there any others out there without the 1-2 issue ?

How fast do you shift? It's not going to grind if you take your foot off the gas and wait a second then shift. I'm not saying you need to be speed shifting, but it is a very fast regular shift (you still push in the clutch and lift off the gas).

I am shifting as fast as I can, and yes I do lift off the gas very briefly between shifts.

Then you're probably fine, I wouldn't worry about it...

OK, yesterday I lit the tires up in first smoking all the way, jammed second without a hint of grind tires smoking all the way. However; If I try to work first to redline WITHOUT smoking the tires some of the time I'm rejected. WTF?!

I

I can only imagine that you've taken away some of the driveline stress and distortion by basically pre-loading the suspension and that it makes it easier for the transmission and synchros to do their job. I would expect that means that there's a good deal of tolerances inside the tranny for it to make enough difference to be able to bind with varying torque loads. Just a theory, dunno? I guess that's also why some have reported success with the WOTbox - the trans needs a steady state before it'll receive the shift.

What does a wott box actually do. Never heard of one

Do a search and you'll find quite a bit of info. In a tiny nutshell, it cuts the ignition momentarily, as you depress the clutch to shift. You DON'T even have to lift off the throttle. There is a bit of an installation though the instructions look pretty clear.

What does a wott box actually do. Never heard of one

You should search or ask in another thread- but just to answer the question since I'm posting anyways...

Wide Open Throttle (WOT) box interups the ignition for a part of a second in order to allow you to shift while keeping the gas pedal to the floor. When the clutch gets pushed, the ignition cut goes, you shift, and let back off the clutch- no need to lift the gas. The WOT box also allows for launch control- push clutch in and floor it- it'll hold at your selected RPM until you let off the clutch. I've yet to try it as I don't have anywhere near the traction to allow a full throttle launch under boost.

Good point about the launch control, forgot to include that important bit. There are a few threads about being careful with that if you have cats (raw fuel), but you don't have to use it, or you can program it very conservatively (and not impress your friend's over, and over, and over again by demonstrating it ;) )

Hey all,
its been a few months but I just got a call from my dealer that the new parts for the 2nd gear transmission are in. These are "supposed" to be the new updated part from Tremec. It goes in Tuesday so I will post again with the outcome. Has anyone else been contacted from their dealer stating these parts are in?

Hey all,
its been a few months but I just got a call from my dealer that the new parts for the 2nd gear transmission are in. These are "supposed" to be the new updated part from Tremec. It goes in Tuesday so I will post again with the outcome. Has anyone else been contacted from their dealer stating these parts are in?

Good to hear, hopefully Tremec has recognized the problem and updated the parts. I was waiting to hear something like this. I didn't want my dealer to be guessing what the problem is, and not find a solution.
Please post after the fix, part numbers, etc. Thanks! :-)

Any update?

Ford is telling me the noise and the grind are "NORMAL"

I think you need to escalate it to corporate. Grinding is not normal.

I think you need to escalate it to corporate. Grinding is not normal.

I have escalated it to corporate.

The Bitterness of Poor Quality Lingers after being told its normal.

I have escalated it to corporate.

The Bitterness of Poor Quality Lingers after being told its normal.

yes, sold mine when I saw this was going nowhere.

This post has been running for a while on another forum. Maybe this contact can help?

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"Read this... If you're having the shifting issues or clutch issues, I'd advise you to contact the Ford rep at this forum and bring it in:

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forum...ng-thread.html"

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Let’s see if I can get this right the first time, I am going to post this to allfordmustangs, fordgt500.com, teamshelby.com, and svtperformance.com. My goal is to inform people through my experience about this problem, however without your posts dating back two years I would not have been able to get my car fixed. So before I begin thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!! for your previous posts.

I got my car this past July it’s a 2011 GT500 w/ the Performance and Electronics Pkg. I babied it for about the first 400 miles or so and then tried it and GRIND!!! Holy crap just like everyone else I thought it was me. I lost sleep thinking about it ALL THE TIME. I tried everything: I changed the way I held the shift knob, I kept pressure to the left, I tried bringing it straight back, I let off the gas with the clutch out then clutched it, I double clutched it, NOTHING WORKED. It was embarrassing it made me look like I didn’t know how to drive. I got my ass handed to me by my friends near stock ‘86 GT. So I turned to the internet and happened along all these threads of people with the same problem as me. They were buying shifters and wotboxes and had all kinds of theories (my personal favorite was the “1-4 skip shift” ah la Camaro I laughed for a good 5 minutes) as to why these things wouldn’t shift.

After 1100 miles of “why did I buy this car?” I then happened across a post (can’t remember who) that said he/she had gotten it fixed by the dealer and even posted a parts list. This person had even gotten ahold of Deysha posting as FordCustServ at Allfordmustangs.com to “escalate” the problem through the national Ford Customer Service. It was like the heavens opened with rays of light, angels in the background singing “Ahhhhhhhhhhhh” It can be fixed without unnecessary aftermarket crap!!! I took my car to Woodhouse Ford in Blair, Nebraska not that anyone cares it is just that not all dealerships are created equal. Woodhouse is the number one F-Series dealership in the nation and the number two dealership overall (or at least they have been). I have bought most of my cars from them just not this one. Basically no one could come close to the deal I got on my car. I digress, I took my car in and had it looked at 10/31/2011 they could not get it to replicate, they changed the fluid and sent me on my way. On the way home I was like “well maybe they fixed it” I wound it up at a stoplight and GRIND! Awesome my POS 55K car is less fun to drive than my brother’s 4 cylinder ’91 Ranger. I called my service advisor on the way home and left him a voicemail that said it wasn’t fixed. He called me back and told me to bring it back which I did Friday 11/4/2011.

I won’t go into exactly how huge Woodhouse is but my service advisor brought over a guy from Woodhouse Viper who specialized and is well versed in all their performance cars plus the GT500 shares that tranny with pretty much all American performance cars. He came up to me and said things like “yep, they do that” and “Ford won’t do anything about it” and “I follow the forums.” I felt like I was going to puke, I was literally sick to my stomach. After about 8 minutes of this conversation between myself, the expert, and my service advisor, I said to the guy “well, you want to take it for a drive since I’m here?” He agreed, I got into the passenger side. He gave it about ¾ throttle and tried to shift about 5000 rpm and GRIND. He tried three times and ground all three. He then said “Yeah, they’re not supposed to do that.” We returned back the service advisor snapped to attention, wrote it up, and I gave him the aforementioned post with the parts list. He had their tech that specialized in the high end stuff Roush, SVT, GT supercar, etc. tear it apart, got the parts and I had my car back in a week 11/11/11 (wish for something!) Guess what? it’s fixed!! No grinding!! Now understand, it is still not an easy shifting car but at least it does shift and does not grind.

So anyway, I say all that to say this. Be patient, be nice, be persistent, and get it fixed by a dealer near you that knows what the F*** they are doing! Oh and get national customer service involved.

Thank you all so much for helping me gather enough information to get my car fixed.

Greg

Congrats Greg. I had the same problem, and got it fixed as well. It's a little tricky to get it into first gear from a stop- it's like a 2 position "click-click", but then it rips through all the gears and no grinding since getting it fixed. They rebuilt the tranny at 600 miles, I now just crossed 3000 with no grind ever. So it can be fixed- just takes some pressure from corporate on your local dealer.

Let’s see if I can get this right the first time, I am going to post this to allfordmustangs, fordgt500.com, teamshelby.com, and svtperformance.com. My goal is to inform people through my experience about this problem, however without your posts dating back two years I would not have been able to get my car fixed. So before I begin thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!! for your previous posts.

I got my car this past July it’s a 2011 GT500 w/ the Performance and Electronics Pkg. I babied it for about the first 400 miles or so and then tried it and GRIND!!! Holy crap just like everyone else I thought it was me. I lost sleep thinking about it ALL THE TIME. I tried everything: I changed the way I held the shift knob, I kept pressure to the left, I tried bringing it straight back, I let off the gas with the clutch out then clutched it, I double clutched it, NOTHING WORKED. It was embarrassing it made me look like I didn’t know how to drive. I got my ass handed to me by my friends near stock ‘86 GT. So I turned to the internet and happened along all these threads of people with the same problem as me. They were buying shifters and wotboxes and had all kinds of theories (my personal favorite was the “1-4 skip shift” ah la Camaro I laughed for a good 5 minutes) as to why these things wouldn’t shift.

After 1100 miles of “why did I buy this car?” I then happened across a post (can’t remember who) that said he/she had gotten it fixed by the dealer and even posted a parts list. This person had even gotten ahold of Deysha posting as FordCustServ at Allfordmustangs.com to “escalate” the problem through the national Ford Customer Service. It was like the heavens opened with rays of light, angels in the background singing “Ahhhhhhhhhhhh” It can be fixed without unnecessary aftermarket crap!!! I took my car to Woodhouse Ford in Blair, Nebraska not that anyone cares it is just that not all dealerships are created equal. Woodhouse is the number one F-Series dealership in the nation and the number two dealership overall (or at least they have been). I have bought most of my cars from them just not this one. Basically no one could come close to the deal I got on my car. I digress, I took my car in and had it looked at 10/31/2011 they could not get it to replicate, they changed the fluid and sent me on my way. On the way home I was like “well maybe they fixed it” I wound it up at a stoplight and GRIND! Awesome my POS 55K car is less fun to drive than my brother’s 4 cylinder ’91 Ranger. I called my service advisor on the way home and left him a voicemail that said it wasn’t fixed. He called me back and told me to bring it back which I did Friday 11/4/2011.

I won’t go into exactly how huge Woodhouse is but my service advisor brought over a guy from Woodhouse Viper who specialized and is well versed in all their performance cars plus the GT500 shares that tranny with pretty much all American performance cars. He came up to me and said things like “yep, they do that” and “Ford won’t do anything about it” and “I follow the forums.” I felt like I was going to puke, I was literally sick to my stomach. After about 8 minutes of this conversation between myself, the expert, and my service advisor, I said to the guy “well, you want to take it for a drive since I’m here?” He agreed, I got into the passenger side. He gave it about ¾ throttle and tried to shift about 5000 rpm and GRIND. He tried three times and ground all three. He then said “Yeah, they’re not supposed to do that.” We returned back the service advisor snapped to attention, wrote it up, and I gave him the aforementioned post with the parts list. He had their tech that specialized in the high end stuff Roush, SVT, GT supercar, etc. tear it apart, got the parts and I had my car back in a week 11/11/11 (wish for something!) Guess what? it’s fixed!! No grinding!! Now understand, it is still not an easy shifting car but at least it does shift and does not grind.

So anyway, I say all that to say this. Be patient, be nice, be persistent, and get it fixed by a dealer near you that knows what the F*** they are doing! Oh and get national customer service involved.

Thank you all so much for helping me gather enough information to get my car fixed.

Greg


Thank you for the post and update. I'm sure this post will help many. Now you can enjoy your car like it was meant to be enjoyed. :)

Congrats, Funtues! Do you happen to have a parts list you could share? My 2012 has the issue under WOT after 5300 or so. I'll probably take it in early next spring.

Congrats, Funtues! Do you happen to have a parts list you could share? My 2012 has the issue under WOT after 5300 or so. I'll probably take it in early next spring.

For my car they did this:
AR3Z 7102 AB GEAR MAINSHAFT 2ND
AR3Z 7124 AA SYNCHRONIZER ASY 1ST
AR3Z 7025 A KIT BEARING
7R3Z 7A082 A TRANSM CONTROL SELE7
TA 30 SEALANT SILICONE
XT 5 QM FLUID TRANSMISSION
TA 25 ADHESIVE
AR3Z 7107 A RING SYNCHRONIZER

I noticed that in some posts they also replaced the shift fork as well, but I guess mine didn't need it.

Good luck with yours!

For my car they did this:
AR3Z 7102 AB GEAR MAINSHAFT 2ND
AR3Z 7124 AA SYNCHRONIZER ASY 1ST
AR3Z 7025 A KIT BEARING
7R3Z 7A082 A TRANSM CONTROL SELE7
TA 30 SEALANT SILICONE
XT 5 QM FLUID TRANSMISSION
TA 25 ADHESIVE
AR3Z 7107 A RING SYNCHRONIZER

I noticed that in some posts they also replaced the shift fork as well, but I guess mine didn't need it.

Good luck with yours!

Thanks man! When I take it in I plan to take all the various parts lists in to show them. Anybody got the tool part numbers???

Thanks man! When I take it in I plan to take all the various parts lists in to show them. Anybody got the tool part numbers???

Dewey,s in Ankeny can fix this problem. They fixed mine last summer. Bill and Matt will take care of you.


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Dewey,s in Ankeny can fix this problem. They fixed mine last summer. Bill and Matt will take care of you.


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Yeah, I know, they're good guys. I just want to take as much info in as possible when I go. I have already visited with them about it.

Is there a post detailing exact parts needed?

Is there a post detailing exact parts needed?

Yes, there are several but it can vary slightly. Scroll up a few posts and you'll see one list.

I still need the tool numbers if someone's got them...