Sounds like SCT will have some handheld tuners for you guys in the not too distant future. RWTD is a good group to deal with...I've bought a lot of products and tunes from James.

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/shelby-cobra/sct-livewire-information-availability-and-pricing-66296.html

I've been doing handheld programmers for the Shelby's for the past few months now. I've sold about a dozen.

Well he has sold now 13... just ordered mine from him. Will have it Friday depending on the weather depends if I get to test out how the shelby runs with it :) I will post results under a thread I started in the performance section. And yes I will be getting the JLT intake..girlfriend is getting it for me for Christmas. Have talked live to Justin and Jay... never meet either one of them but liked what I heard and feel good about them.

I bought one from Justin and the program was......... actually hard to describe. It did wonders for the car in every way. I was making 460hp @ wheels prior to tune with no re-dyno but expect it was making 500+

As soon as my next car is delivered I will be ordering another!
I also ordered one for my 7.3L Power Stroke and it too is great!

I get a lot of calls from customers that are awe struck.

Well he has sold now 13... just ordered mine from him. Will have it Friday depending on the weather depends if I get to test out how the shelby runs with it :) I will post results under a thread I started in the performance section. And yes I will be getting the JLT intake..girlfriend is getting it for me for Christmas. Have talked live to Justin and Jay... never meet either one of them but liked what I heard and feel good about them.

Congrats on the order! Justin is 'da man and I think you'll be happy with your tune.

Well I will not hold back my opinion will be posted up you can beleive that :)

I ordered mine last week . Hope it comes tomorrow so I can try it before I go for a long drive for Thanksgiving. I'd like to see if it does help the gas mileage on top of the increase in power.

Post up your results mine will be here Friday or next week because of Thanksgiving could get screwed up with shipping. Not worried about gas mileage just want it to have more go :)

I will let you know how much difference there is. I am really looking forward to a better throttle response. There just seems to be a lag in the response and I have noticed the supercharger doesn't kick in as fast as I expected. I have noticed a few times if I really stomp on it the thing won't kick in at all.
I hope to take it to a strip after the tune to try and get some times.It's been 40 years since I ran at a strip, hope it comes back as easy as driving this beast.

Received word tonight that Justin's tune along with the JLT CAI alone netted 511 rwhp (600 crank) on an otherwise totally stock GT500.

I will let you know how much difference there is. I am really looking forward to a better throttle response. There just seems to be a lag in the response and I have noticed the supercharger doesn't kick in as fast as I expected. I have noticed a few times if I really stomp on it the thing won't kick in at all.
I hope to take it to a strip after the tune to try and get some times.It's been 40 years since I ran at a strip, hope it comes back as easy as driving this beast.

with this tune you will be GLAD for traction control! On your first drive with the TC turned off be vewy vewy careful in 1st or second gear!

You will notice the engine really likes to rev with this program... 6500 will be there before you have a chance to think.....shift

you should also see 185+mph in 5th gear too:D :rolleyes: :cool: :o

Please forgive my ignorance here, but how do these tunes work? Does Justin send some sort of hand held computer that you plug into your car? Does he just send some software and you have to take your car to a shop to have it uploaded? :confused:

Please forgive my ignorance here, but how do these tunes work? Does Justin send some sort of hand held computer that you plug into your car? Does he just send some software and you have to take your car to a shop to have it uploaded? :confused:

I am not sure how Justin's tune works but I can tell you my son has a Subaru WRX STI and he received a hand held programming device which plugs into the computer on the car. He then installs different programs with the device. He is also able to download changes or different tunes to the hand held device through his laptop which he receives from the a shop such as Justin's. Hope that helps as I have not done this first handed.

I am not sure how Justin's tune works but I can tell you my son has a Subaru WRX STI and he received a hand held programming device which plugs into the computer on the car. He then installs different programs with the device. He is also able to download changes or different tunes to the hand held device through his laptop which he receives from the a shop such as Justin's. Hope that helps as I have not done this first handed.

Thanks shlbysvt. That helps.

How do you change back to the stock tune if you have take the car into the shop for warranty work?

Thanks shlbysvt. That helps.

How do you change back to the stock tune if you have take the car into the shop for warranty work?

The hand held tuner stores several tunes and you are able to revert back to the stock tune through the hand held device.

Thanks shlbysvt. That helps.

How do you change back to the stock tune if you have take the car into the shop for warranty work?


Before you download the new tune, you upload the factory tune into the hand held and it is stored there. If you need to put it back, you download it to the car and it is back to what it was from the factory.

Thanks, guys! This is great info.

I just can't believe where technology has taken us. Do you even need a wrench to work on a car anymore? :p I'm afraid to open the hood on a new car these days. I miss the days of crawling into the engine bay of my dad's '64 Galaxie to change the points.

Thanks, guys! This is great info.

I just can't believe where technology has taken us. Do you even need a wrench to work on a car anymore? :p I'm afraid to open the hood on a new car these days. I miss the days of crawling into the engine bay of my dad's '64 Galaxie to change the points.



Yes you need wrenches.I have wrenched on my new Shelby several times,last night for about 4 hours.
With this car you need to change parameters with a handheld for everything except axle/cat backs.Be careful who you get your tune from.Everyone has the best tune.Just ask them!Best to wait and see what others have to say or stick with a major player,Roush,Steeda to name a few.Some tunes are very good but all are new without any history for this Shelby

Thanks, guys! This is great info.

I just can't believe where technology has taken us. Do you even need a wrench to work on a car anymore? :p I'm afraid to open the hood on a new car these days. I miss the days of crawling into the engine bay of my dad's '64 Galaxie to change the points.

Ahhh yes, the days of "points and condensers" and don't forget those carbs!

In general, are these aftermarket tunes generic to a given year/make/model, or are they specific to your particluar car? I live in Denver, and I imagine the high altitude has a fairly significant effect on performance. Would I need a high-altitude tune, or does the car's computer automatically compensate for altitude?

Also, are these tunes specific to certain mods and manufacturers? In other words, if I put on a CAI, would I need a tune that is specific to that particular CAI (manufacturer and model)?

In general, are these aftermarket tunes generic to a given year/make/model, or are they specific to your particluar car? I live in Denver, and I imagine the high altitude has a fairly significant effect on performance. Would I need a high-altitude tune, or does the car's computer automatically compensate for altitude?

Also, are these tunes specific to certain mods and manufacturers? In other words, if I put on a CAI, would I need a tune that is specific to that particular CAI (manufacturer and model)?

Those are great questions rpretzel and my only response is I intend to get my CAI, tune and programmer from the same manufacturer as to not have finger pointing down the road. That is where I agree whole heartedly with 07 and stick with major players such as Steeda, Rousch etc. I am seriously considering Whipple which would be a screw type super charger as opposed to a roots. There package includes tunes from Ford Racing which I feel will be well tested by point of release.

I received my tuner from Jason today, but the instructions aren't very clear as to where to plug the thing in. I 've looked where one set of instructions say but I can't find the plug in for the diagnostics. Any help would be appreciated since VMT is shut down now for the holiday. Thanks Gordon

I received my tuner from Jason today, but the instructions aren't very clear as to where to plug the thing in. I 've looked where one set of instructions say but I can't find the plug in for the diagnostics. Any help would be appreciated since VMT is shut down now for the holiday. Thanks Gordon

Look directly under the steering wheel column where the plastic shroud ends. You should see a port. This is where you plug it in.

Thanks I will look there.

Well the tune works. It only took about 5 minutes to install and save the old tune. I just took it out and there is definitely a difference when you take off the TC. It breaks loose very easily in 1st and 2nd and gets to 80 very quickly. I think the tune was worth it . Hopefully I can find a dyno around here so I can find out how much it is putting down to the wheels now. It should improve even more with the cold air kit from Jason.

Well the tune works. It only took about 5 minutes to install and save the old tune. I just took it out and there is definitely a difference when you take off the TC. It breaks loose very easily in 1st and 2nd and gets to 80 very quickly. I think the tune was worth it . Hopefully I can find a dyno around here so I can find out how much it is putting down to the wheels now. It should improve even more with the cold air kit from Jason.

Glad to hear about the tune! Will you be going with the JLT CAI kit from Justin?

I hope to get it as soon as he has it available. He said it should be around $200-$250. Plus he will upgrade the tune for free if I buy the CIA kit also. I'm sure it won't be as easy to install or reinstall the stockkit as it is the tune.

Yes you need wrenches.I have wrenched on my new Shelby several times,last night for about 4 hours.
With this car you need to change parameters with a handheld for everything except axle/cat backs.Be careful who you get your tune from.Everyone has the best tune.Just ask them!Best to wait and see what others have to say or stick with a major player,Roush,Steeda to name a few.Some tunes are very good but all are new without any history for this Shelby

You would be suprised what comes out of these so called major players. Did you know that the Roush supercharged Mustangs and F150s don't make any boost at part throttle, only at WOT? Thats the best part of having a roots blower, the part throttle power. Roush designed the setup that way so they didn't have to do a proper ETC calibration, probably because they could not figure out how to.

You would be suprised what comes out of these so called major players. Did you know that the Roush supercharged Mustangs and F150s don't make any boost at part throttle, only at WOT? Thats the best part of having a roots blower, the part throttle power. Roush designed the setup that way so they didn't have to do a proper ETC calibration, probably because they could not figure out how to.

Wow, you are saying Roush doesn't know how to tune an engine? That's pretty bold stuff! Does VMP do tuning for any NASCAR teams? Just wondering.

I have only a basic knowledge of what does what to make an engine produce more power. I don't know what mods increase torque, but decrease horse power, that technical stuff. But I know that Ford has a lot of respect for Roush and Steeda engineering.

I personally had never heard of VMP before it was advertised on this forum. I understand that given my limited knowledge that doesn't mean a whole lot. I have to say that it appears that VMP has tried to get the jump on the other engineering folks by pushing their own product while cutting down the competition's products.

In the long run, the VMP product may be the best there is, but that is yet to be proven. I'll just wait and listen for awhile. This is a pretty important move for me and I don't want to make the wrong decision.

You would be suprised what comes out of these so called major players. Did you know that the Roush supercharged Mustangs and F150s don't make any boost at part throttle, only at WOT? Thats the best part of having a roots blower, the part throttle power. Roush designed the setup that way so they didn't have to do a proper ETC calibration, probably because they could not figure out how to.


I am not judging anyones work.I think I said be careful and see what people have to say.I have been waiting for you to answer post #21 by Rpretzel.

I just got back from a 500 mile trip after installing the VMP tune. Before the trip my best mileage was about 19-20 on the highway. On the way down (against the wind), I got 22 MPG. On the way back I just got 25 MPG. There is a significant improvement in response and power since the tune. I scared my brother-in-law so much ,just in 1st gear, that he wouldn't ride with me again. You can brag all you want about the supposed big boys, but don't cut down Justin til you try it. I will put mine up against any of those guys tunes!

I just got back from a 500 mile trip after installing the VMP tune. Before the trip my best mileage was about 19-20 on the highway. On the way down (against the wind), I got 22 MPG. On the way back I just got 25 MPG. There is a significant improvement in response and power since the tune. I scared my brother-in-law so much ,just in 1st gear, that he wouldn't ride with me again. You can brag all you want about the supposed big boys, but don't cut down Justin til you try it. I will put mine up against any of those guys tunes!

Sounds great, but not surprised, as I have been satisfied with Justin's tune for over a month now. I'm not saying he's the "best" and knocking all the rest, but I know he has years of experience in tuning Fords. He tunes for an individual's needs/wants and not just a "canned" tune for everyone. He states that he has no intention of pushing a tune to the limit just to become an "internet hero" and I respect that. There are a lot of "tuners" out there, some good, some not so good. From my experience and those I talked with beforehand, I consider Justin one of the good ones.

I agree. I don't know anything about the others either, but just because they are the big boys on the block doesn't mean they are the best or know everything. I appreciate Justin for his responding to my questions and not trying to push me into anything. I also like his not trying to push the limits, because I don't want to either. I hope to be able to take mine to a Dyno to at least get it checked out to see if the tune really helped.

My tuner will be here tomorrow Nov 24th from Justin if he got it shipped out in time, and I will also let everyone know what is up. I talked to him on the phone so this is the first for me and Justin. What I did find out from another vender that Justin use to work for SCT so the tuner is not something new for him. Steeda has a SCT tuner out right now for our cars. I am guessing if you put all the big boys together that the HP will be within 5 to 10 hp of each other. There is no such thing as one top tuner knowing something that would make theirs worth 20 more hp than the other with all of them being a safe tune. What I do like about a smaller company is you get more personal service.. Steeda, Roush, C&L for example will have a tune for our car and that will be it...I can't see calling them and having them doing something a little different for each and every need. Now Justin is doing the same thing he has a tune for our cars BUT if you told him you had headers, or you ran 98 octane gas all the time (I wish I had some) than he could build a custom tune for that. The big guys..well I can't see it they are just to big for that, and I understand that. Now one nice thing about these programmers are they are not specific to ANYONE. Case in point if you purchased one from Justin or whoever and 3 months later Steeda came out with a Air intake that was just one of a kind than you would have to purchase just the map from them your programmer is fine. They would email you the map for a small fee you save it on your computer...plug in your USB cable and upload the map to your SCT than go downstairs to your garage and send the map up to your Shelby.

For the CAI battle well unlike 03-04 or just about any model mustang the shelby is kinda of limited... you can't put the filter inside the fender, Can't see a bent pipe being used so everyones is going to look something like JLT. Some will be black plastic, some fiber glass, some aluminum but they all will do the same thing... big filter on the end with a different MAF housing and maybe maybe not heat shield. What will be nice is sometime next year I am sure Fast Fords and Mustang will have a shootout..hopefully Justin and Jay from JLT will be up against the big boys to see who comes out on top. I just can't wait 6 months or longer for that test :)

For those that have access to a dyno it is worth paying the $ 45.00 to make a pull or 2 and see how your air fuel ratio is etc. Around here we have a bike dyno shop but no car dyno shop so I can't help with that. Hopefully one of you guys that have his tune and get your car on the dyno and post up the results. And it is not about who makes the most power but how the car runs is the important thing.

Wow, you are saying Roush doesn't know how to tune an engine? That's pretty bold stuff! Does VMP do tuning for any NASCAR teams? Just wondering.

I have only a basic knowledge of what does what to make an engine produce more power. I don't know what mods increase torque, but decrease horse power, that technical stuff. But I know that Ford has a lot of respect for Roush and Steeda engineering.

I personally had never heard of VMP before it was advertised on this forum. I understand that given my limited knowledge that doesn't mean a whole lot. I have to say that it appears that VMP has tried to get the jump on the other engineering folks by pushing their own product while cutting down the competition's products.

In the long run, the VMP product may be the best there is, but that is yet to be proven. I'll just wait and listen for awhile. This is a pretty important move for me and I don't want to make the wrong decision.

Remember oldimp can back up anything he says. Right old boy? Why can't you say something without a cut? O I forgot you have all the answers.:eek:

busababy;
I agree with you 100%. I am much more concerned about how my car runs(and hopefully stays running)than how much horsepower I can make. Granted I do like any extra H/P. I have found a dyno, but it's about 45 miles away. I may call them tomorrow and see when I could bring my car in. They will do 3 runs for $55.00. I'll post results.

I am not sure how Justin's tune works but I can tell you my son has a Subaru WRX STI and he received a hand held programming device which plugs into the computer on the car. He then installs different programs with the device. He is also able to download changes or different tunes to the hand held device through his laptop which he receives from the a shop such as Justin's. Hope that helps as I have not done this first handed.

I have uploaded numerous tunes on my car via two different handhelds. I'm assuming he has handheld units as he mentioned selling some. He can either send you a pre-loaded unit with tunes in it specific to your mods, gas you use, area of the country where you are from (high altitude like you etc) or you can get your tunes via e-mail etc. or his website (if he has one) and you then download it to your handheld. You then plug it into your car's computer outlet and upload the tune per instructions. It does save your stock tune so you can upload it into your car at any time.

If he doesn't offer handhelds...it's probably a chip...they are kind of old school thou.

Mick

Hey guys....there are a bunch of good tuners out there. Check on any 03-04 Cobra site and nobody, I mean NOBODY uses steeda, rousch or the like for tunning.

Here are some of the major players:

www.rwtd.com (Mobile, AL)

www.evoperform.com
(evolution performance...I'm going down to philly on Monday for a dyno tune etc.) These guys had the first gt500 in the 9's. burbs of Philly

www.milehidyno.com (Colorado)

Jason does use a handheld and it can do all of the above. He will send me my new tune after I install his CAI. It has all the computer capabilities, etc. I will find out how it works on Tuesday. I have a dyno appt. at 1:00pm to verify HP.

Jason does use a handheld and it can do all of the above. He will send me my new tune after I install his CAI. It has all the computer capabilities, etc. I will find out how it works on Tuesday. I have a dyno appt. at 1:00pm to verify HP.

Excellent, I do recognize the VMP name from Modfords...he is a supporting vendor so he must have a good rep...they don't hand out supporting vendor status without looking into the group.

Excellent, I do recognize the VMP name from Modfords...he is a supporting vendor so he must have a good rep...they don't hand out supporting vendor status without looking into the group.

Justin (VMP) is one of the top 5 tuners in the country. Before on his own he worked for SCT.

Hopefully this will remove some of the concern for him not being "one of the big boys" or one of the "Big Names" that spend a fortune on promotion and advertising! He has returned my e-mails quickly and been helpful each time.

Just noticed this on eBay. I like the pulley design.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2007-Shelby-GT500-SCT-XCal2-Pulley-and-JLT-CFI-Intake_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33597QQihZ005QQi temZ150063470586QQrdZ1

They had this one on there farther down the page:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2007-Shelby-GT500-SCT-XCalibrator-2-and-JLT-CFI-Intake_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33597QQihZ005QQi temZ150063419529QQrdZ1

Oldimp here is a closer look at what many are getting, including me from JLT.


http://jlttruecoldair.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_40

Those are great questions rpretzel and my only response is I intend to get my CAI, tune and programmer from the same manufacturer as to not have finger pointing down the road. That is where I agree whole heartedly with 07 and stick with major players such as Steeda, Rousch etc. I am seriously considering Whipple which would be a screw type super charger as opposed to a roots. There package includes tunes from Ford Racing which I feel will be well tested by point of release.

I have used tunes and forced air systems from these major players and you dont generally get much bang for the buck. They are usually very conservative and cost a ton.

I am not judging anyones work.I think I said be careful and see what people have to say.I have been waiting for you to answer post #21 by Rpretzel.

The answer is quite simple. If a tuner is mailing out tunes to people they have to be generic to your year/model/engine/mods/blah blah blah. What else can they do??? If you want it specific to your car you have to take your car to the tuner and put it on a dyno. Sounds easy enough.

I have Justin's tune (VMP Tuning) in my car. Runs really strong. I am very pleased. I highly recommend it. Justin knows his stuff.

+100000..........

Oldimp here is a closer look at what many are getting, including me from JLT.


http://jlttruecoldair.com/zencart/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_40

I sure like the looks of the assembly! I love the pulley set-up! Question about the throttle body, is it replaced or is that an adapter flange or something like that?

Boy, if you don't use one of the "major players", indicated in this forum, you feel like you caught some contagious disease. I guess having tried something with great success, but paying less money for it, doesn't mean anything. Or maybe, it's not being a senior member???

I sure like the looks of the assembly! I love the pulley set-up! Question about the throttle body, is it replaced or is that an adapter flange or something like that?


Jay just has the throttle body in the pic for effect. You get the carbon fiber piece, two silicone adaptors, a molded (plastic I think) mass air housing, the conical filter, an air shield and a stainless steel bracket where the end of the filter resides. It's about a 30 min swap.

I got 63 rwhp from this setup...including the Evolution tune. I understand it's a 91 octane tune. I could certainly get more with a 93....plus my car was heatsoaked when we dyno'd it.

Overall, the car idles and cruises very smoothly. A little cold natured on startup. It's breaking the 12 barrier on a/f in a couple of spots, but nothing bad. Stomp on the throttle and you'd better bring a clean pair of BVDs. That extra 60+ to the wheels makes a big difference...plus I think they jacked with the throttle-by-wire settings.

I'd recommend it.

bj

I sure like the looks of the assembly! I love the pulley set-up! Question about the throttle body, is it replaced or is that an adapter flange or something like that?

I believe they are showing the throttle body for presentation purpostes only. It does not replace your existing throttle body. The dealer prices are less than or equal to what is being posted on EBAY as first bids.

Boy, if you don't use one of the "major players", indicated in this forum, you feel like you caught some contagious disease. I guess having tried something with great success, but paying less money for it, doesn't mean anything. Or maybe, it's not being a senior member???

dsabldvt everyone has there own opinion and I would not take any of this personally. I am leaning towards Justin's tune but am going with JLT's CAI only (no tune). This is a major step for most and I, like some, would like this decision not to be a shouda, coulda, woulda situation. Glad you are happy with your tune and I intend to speak with Justin on Monday as to my specific needs.

I do have dyno results and a tune for the JLT intake, I'll be posting all the info on monday, I just haven't had any time.

Boy, if you don't use one of the "major players", indicated in this forum, you feel like you caught some contagious disease. I guess having tried something with great success, but paying less money for it, doesn't mean anything. Or maybe, it's not being a senior member???

Hey, dsabldvt, I guess this was aimed at me, but I have thought a lot about my earlier post and wanted to reconcile a bit.

To lay some ground work, I like Roush. Can't change that, I like what he has done and I trust his products will be top notch. This is my opinion. I know you respect my right to have this opinion as I respect your right to have your opinion.

I am not a rich man. I will have one shot at a modification of this caliber and there will be no room for me to say, "Oh, I think I'd rather have this other set-up!" If I can afford a modification, it will to be the one I have to live with. I have to wait until I see what Roush puts out. And Steeda and C&L, I want to campare them all! Also, the warranty thing with the Roush set-up really appeals to me.

When Justin came on here with his set-up, I was glad to see someone working on one finally! I have nothing against the VMP set-up. End the end, I may want one, too. The thing is, Justin used some words that cut down the Roush folks, and I took offense to it and I guess I shouldn't have. Because all I did was turn around and make all you guys that are purchasing the VMP stuff believe I was bad-mouthing you! I didn't mean to do that. I didn't think it through that far. And I apologize to any of my forum friends whose toes I may have stomped on! I will try to learn from this and never step on toes again!

Boy, if you don't use one of the "major players", indicated in this forum, you feel like you caught some contagious disease. I guess having tried something with great success, but paying less money for it, doesn't mean anything. Or maybe, it's not being a senior member???

Being a senior member of this site puts you in the club. Once you are in the club you can say anything you want and it is true.

I do have dyno results and a tune for the JLT intake, I'll be posting all the info on monday, I just haven't had any time.

Thanks Justin, glad to hear that. I will be calling you on Monday to discuss some questions I have with you. Keep up the good work.

In general, are these aftermarket tunes generic to a given year/make/model, or are they specific to your particluar car? I live in Denver, and I imagine the high altitude has a fairly significant effect on performance. Would I need a high-altitude tune, or does the car's computer automatically compensate for altitude?

Also, are these tunes specific to certain mods and manufacturers? In other words, if I put on a CAI, would I need a tune that is specific to that particular CAI (manufacturer and model)?

rpretzel I found this on Justin's site and I think it may answer your questions. I am ordering a tuner from Justin on Monday and will have him give me a tune for 93 & 100 octane and the tune for the JLT CAI. I am not interested in the 91 & 92 octane tunes and 93 is readily available in my area. I have also found a 100 unleaded octane, which is quite expensive at $6.99 a gallon but would be nice for days at the track. This does not answer all your questions but it does answer your question with regard to high altitude etc. Hope your vin comes soon. I am sure you will let us know when you hear. Happy shopping.

I would like to put this out to everyone...that opinions are just that...it is personal...I have read stuff and I don't believe in and I don't think anyone should be bashing another vender unless it need be.. I can't speak for Justin and I won't but Steeda, Roush, C&L, none of them are going to give you a bad product and I feel they are all good and of couse someone has to be better than the others but the mags are going to have to tell us that because I am not going to buy 5 intakes or 5 different tuners to test myself..I have 2 many expense hobbies to through all my money at the shelby. I do think Justin or any other guys that have the knowledge and equipment can give you a great product (case in point I when with Justin) as good as or better than the major players. And it is hard on them because everyone is name dropping but they all started out small until they got were they are so give everyone a little break. Maybe somebody doesn't like what I say about stuff and that is fine PM me and we can deal with it other ways, but my 2 cents is keep this board professional I have been on allot of boards with my other hobbies where to much time is spent flaming people we need to stay on track to keep this board top notch and to help each other out with input and suggestions. I have not met any of you in person hopefully one day we all will but just from talking to everyone and reading I would have to say we are all top notch owners or soon to be owners. I just hate that anyone would have any hard feeling toward another so put it behind us and get back to the subject at hand...SHELBYS :)

I would like to put this out to everyone...that opinions are just that...it is personal...I have read stuff and I don't believe in and I don't think anyone should be bashing another vender unless it need be.. I can't speak for Justin and I won't but Steeda, Roush, C&L, none of them are going to give you a bad product and I feel they are all good and of couse someone has to be better than the others but the mags are going to have to tell us that because I am not going to buy 5 intakes or 5 different tuners to test myself..I have 2 many expense hobbies to through all my money at the shelby. I do think Justin or any other guys that have the knowledge and equipment can give you a great product (case in point I when with Justin) as good as or better than the major players. And it is hard on them because everyone is name dropping but they all started out small until they got were they are so give everyone a little break. Maybe somebody doesn't like what I say about stuff and that is fine PM me and we can deal with it other ways, but my 2 cents is keep this board professional I have been on allot of boards with my other hobbies where to much time is spent flaming people we need to stay on track to keep this board top notch and to help each other out with input and suggestions. I have not met any of you in person hopefully one day we all will but just from talking to everyone and reading I would have to say we are all top notch owners or soon to be owners. I just hate that anyone would have any hard feeling toward another so put it behind us and get back to the subject hand...SHELBYS :)




Very nice Busababy.Well put and appreciate the input.

I would like to put this out to everyone...that opinions are just that...it is personal...I have read stuff and I don't believe in and I don't think anyone should be bashing another vender unless it need be.. I can't speak for Justin and I won't but Steeda, Roush, C&L, none of them are going to give you a bad product and I feel they are all good and of couse someone has to be better than the others but the mags are going to have to tell us that because I am not going to buy 5 intakes or 5 different tuners to test myself..I have 2 many expense hobbies to through all my money at the shelby. I do think Justin or any other guys that have the knowledge and equipment can give you a great product (case in point I when with Justin) as good as or better than the major players. And it is hard on them because everyone is name dropping but they all started out small until they got were they are so give everyone a little break. Maybe somebody doesn't like what I say about stuff and that is fine PM me and we can deal with it other ways, but my 2 cents is keep this board professional I have been on allot of boards with my other hobbies where to much time is spent flaming people we need to stay on track to keep this board top notch and to help each other out with input and suggestions. I have not met any of you in person hopefully one day we all will but just from talking to everyone and reading I would have to say we are all top notch owners or soon to be owners. I just hate that anyone would have any hard feeling toward another so put it behind us and get back to the subject hand...SHELBYS :)

Well said! I hope we can all take note.

Wow, you are saying Roush doesn't know how to tune an engine? That's pretty bold stuff! Does VMP do tuning for any NASCAR teams? Just wondering.

I have only a basic knowledge of what does what to make an engine produce more power. I don't know what mods increase torque, but decrease horse power, that technical stuff. But I know that Ford has a lot of respect for Roush and Steeda engineering.

I personally had never heard of VMP before it was advertised on this forum. I understand that given my limited knowledge that doesn't mean a whole lot. I have to say that it appears that VMP has tried to get the jump on the other engineering folks by pushing their own product while cutting down the competition's products.

In the long run, the VMP product may be the best there is, but that is yet to be proven. I'll just wait and listen for awhile. This is a pretty important move for me and I don't want to make the wrong decision.

NASCAR=carburated V8 race engines, 3v modular engines are a totally different platform. Like any company there are talented individuals (I know one that worked for Roush) and there are people who have no clue and no desire to get one.

I had another supercharged Saleen 06 Mustang on the dyno last night that was running 13:1 at 6000rpm and had knock sensor activity. That's not safe, but saleen lets them go that way. I've seen others like it, and so have many other reputable tuners.

I am not bashing anyone, simply stating documented facts for which I have data to back them up with.

I'm just giving you examples as to why you should not blindly follow a brand name.

I'm glad to hear you tell it like it is Justin! I hope everything is going well with your CAI. I am anxious to see it.Gordon

Wow, you are saying Roush doesn't know how to tune an engine? That's pretty bold stuff! Does VMP do tuning for any NASCAR teams? Just wondering.

I have only a basic knowledge of what does what to make an engine produce more power. I don't know what mods increase torque, but decrease horse power, that technical stuff. But I know that Ford has a lot of respect for Roush and Steeda engineering.

I personally had never heard of VMP before it was advertised on this forum. I understand that given my limited knowledge that doesn't mean a whole lot. I have to say that it appears that VMP has tried to get the jump on the other engineering folks by pushing their own product while cutting down the competition's products.

In the long run, the VMP product may be the best there is, but that is yet to be proven. I'll just wait and listen for awhile. This is a pretty important move for me and I don't want to make the wrong decision.


you do know that Roush doesnt do his own engines?