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: California Emissions - Need Help !


GMM
11-04-2006, 08:23 PM
I live in California and am looking to buy a new 2007 Shelby. The best price I can find is out of state. I found one I want but I am concerned about the emissions. According to the order guide, California cars need to be ordered with the California Emission System (Code 422). Because this is not a California car, this option was not ordered. In researching this, I found that the emission sticker under the hood (attached) apprears to say the the car I am considering buying would be legal in California. Can anyone give me some insight on this ? Thanks

shoyoright
11-04-2006, 08:29 PM
I live in California and am looking to buy a new 2007 Shelby. The best price I can find is out of state. I found one I want but I am concerned about the emissions. According to the order guide, California cars need to be ordered with the California Emission System (Code 422). Because this is not a California car, this option was not ordered. In researching this, I found that the emission sticker under the hood (attached) apprears to say the the car I am considering buying would be legal in California. Can anyone give me some insight on this ? Thanks

Unless I'm mistaken, all '07 Shelby GT500s are 50 state legal & that includes sunny California........PC

07 SHELBY
11-04-2006, 08:33 PM
I live in California and am looking to buy a new 2007 Shelby. The best price I can find is out of state. I found one I want but I am concerned about the emissions. According to the order guide, California cars need to be ordered with the California Emission System (Code 422). Because this is not a California car, this option was not ordered. In researching this, I found that the emission sticker under the hood (attached) apprears to say the the car I am considering buying would be legal in California. Can anyone give me some insight on this ? Thanks



Go for it.Its legal anywhere here(US).

shoyoright
11-04-2006, 08:39 PM
Go for it.Its legal anywhere here(US).

Hello '07, just thought I'd say hello. How's the red beast working for you. Still waiting for my 'keeper". later......PC

Berzerk
11-04-2006, 08:44 PM
Yup, these cars all have CA emissions stuff on 'em.

07 SHELBY
11-04-2006, 08:46 PM
Hello '07, just thought I'd say hello. How's the red beast working for you. Still waiting for my 'keeper". later......PC



Whats happening?The beast is put away for winter!It will be a different beast in the spring.Can't wait!..........................07................. ..................

GMM
11-04-2006, 08:51 PM
Thanks everyone for the input, you guys are great ! I will check with the California DMV on Monday just to make sue everything is good to go.:)

Aldy
11-04-2006, 09:43 PM
07 - I put my beast away today for the winter - it was a sad day. :(

07 SHELBY
11-05-2006, 05:26 AM
07 - I put my beast away today for the winter - it was a sad day. :(



They should be well rested by May.

cornfay
11-05-2006, 07:22 AM
crazy freakin liberals with their California Emission Systems

shlbysvt
11-05-2006, 08:08 AM
crazy freakin liberals with their California Emission Systems

Send a message on TUESDAY! Get out and VOTE!;)

shlbysvt
11-05-2006, 08:21 AM
My beast will be driven weather permitting. I have noticed that the trani does not like the colder weather. Shifts are a little rough going into gear, almost as if there are no synchros, until the trani warms up. Has anyone else noticed this? I have also noticed after about 800 miles that Boost comes in without necessasrily stomping on it. It is more obvious throughout acceleration. She will see the garage and California dust cover for when the white stuff falls. I too will be looking forward to CAI and tunes once all results are in from the major players. Happy motoring!

Kronus01
11-05-2006, 12:57 PM
I am a little surprised guys, I live in Chicago and while temperatures have dropped I am not ready to put her away. It might be that I only have had mine for a very brief period of time but my way of looking at it is to take the car out during nice days and once that the first snowfall comes along the dreaded salt comes with it and that is when I will put mine away. I dont ever want my baby to be near that salt but I dont see nothing wrong with taking a little cruise during cold weather after all the cars do have a heater. Just my two cents.

Aldy
11-05-2006, 03:07 PM
I too would have kept driving until the snow flies but the car is being stored at a place that specializes in storing classic cars and it is about 15 miles from where I live so I wasn't going to take the risk of having it snow and then driving through the slush and salt to get to the storage unit. I have no problems driving when it is cold out but this car will never see snow or salt. I'm just playing it safe.

ShelbyWise
11-05-2006, 03:44 PM
I live in California and am looking to buy a new 2007 Shelby. The best price I can find is out of state. I found one I want but I am concerned about the emissions. According to the order guide, California cars need to be ordered with the California Emission System (Code 422). Because this is not a California car, this option was not ordered. In researching this, I found that the emission sticker under the hood (attached) apprears to say the the car I am considering buying would be legal in California. Can anyone give me some insight on this ? Thanks

GMM...Are you going to have to pay sales tax in the state in which you are considering purchasing your GT500? Once you bring the car to CA and register it there, you will get hit with an additional dose of sales tax at whatever rate the county in which you live charges...A double dose of tax and an ADM (if you are paying one) could be hard to swallow...just something to think about...:eek:

shlbysvt
11-05-2006, 03:57 PM
GMM...Are you going to have to pay sales tax in the state in which you are considering purchasing your GT500? Once you bring the car to CA and register it there, you will get hit with an additional dose of sales tax at whatever rate the county in which you live charges...A double dose of tax and an ADM (if you are paying one) could be hard to swallow...just something to think about...:eek:

Sales tax is usually paid in the state in which you register the vehicle not the state in which you purchase it. There may be some local transfer taxes that apply but these are usualy minor in relation to sales tax.

ShelbyWise
11-05-2006, 04:10 PM
Sales tax is usually paid in the state in which you register the vehicle not the state in which you purchase it. There may be some local transfer taxes that apply but these are usualy minor in relation to sales tax.

I wasn't exactly sure how this worked for other states. I don't think you can get a new car in CA w/o paying sales tax, even if all you are doing is taking delivery and then moving to AZ or otherwise. I think the sales tax still has to be paid...its part of the new car titling process for the selling dealership...otherwise its not considered a sale.

shlbysvt
11-05-2006, 04:20 PM
I wasn't exactly sure how this worked for other states. I don't think you can get a new car in CA w/o paying sales tax, even if all you are doing is taking delivery and then moving to AZ or otherwise. I think the sales tax still has to be paid...its part of the new car titling process for the selling dealership...otherwise its not considered a sale.

I am not exactly sure how all the states work in relation to sales tax, but normaly in motor vehicle sales, if a vehicle is to be registered in another state, the tax is paid in the state in which it is registered. If all vehicles were to pay sales tax in the state of origination or point of sale in which the dealership was located this would create some inventory transfer problems between dealerships. This is a good point ShelbyWise but I believe in most states it should not be a problem. If it is you may want to consider having a dealer to dealer transfer to the state in which you reside to circumvent this problem.

dsabldvt
11-05-2006, 04:25 PM
I don't see how you could title the car in CA if you aren't a resident and don't have a CA driver's. I know you can't in Texas.

shlbysvt
11-05-2006, 04:36 PM
I don't see how you could title the car in CA if you aren't a resident and don't have a CA driver's. I know you can't in Texas.

The question is not titling the car but at what point is sales tax paid. In the state in which you purchase it or the state in which you register it, or both? Example: A NYS resident purchases a new vehicle from a dealership in the state of NJ. He pays sales tax in the state of NY, the state the vehicle is registered in, not NJ the state in which the vehicle was purchased. The vehicle would be titled in the state of NY, the state it was registered in, even though the vehicle was purchased in NJ. The state in which the vehicle is to be registered in is key as to what state sales tax is to be paid. The certificate of origin is generated at point of manufacture and would be generated before the titling process takes place.

FormerGmc
11-05-2006, 09:35 PM
If you did not pay sale tax in the state you purchased from, you will have to pay sales tax in California. If you did pay sales tax in the state you purchased in, you will be required to pay the difference in sales tax between the state you puchased and California.

As an example, if the rate in the state you puchased is 5% and Califoria is 8.25%, you must pay he difference when registering.

As far as the emmission thing, the sticker in the photo is all you need. They will still require you to smog test the vehicle before they will register it.

My car came from Ohio and was not ordered with the Ca. smog option, but luckily the car is 50 state certified.

shlbysvt
11-06-2006, 05:27 AM
If you did not pay sale tax in the state you purchased from, you will have to pay sales tax in California. If you did pay sales tax in the state you purchased in, you will be required to pay the difference in sales tax between the state you puchased and California.

As an example, if the rate in the state you puchased is 5% and Califoria is 8.25%, you must pay he difference when registering.

As far as the emmission thing, the sticker in the photo is all you need. They will still require you to smog test the vehicle before they will register it.

My car came from Ohio and was not ordered with the Ca. smog option, but luckily the car is 50 state certified.

That is correct but it may not hold true for all states as it does for county to county. As ShelbyWise's point was well taken, I would research the states' sales tax policy before purchasing if I were not able to be exempt for and out of state titling or registration. You want to avoid paying the sales tax in the higher rate state if you reside in a state with a lower rate. If your state of residence is the lower rate state you can not apply for a refund in your resident state for the addtional sales tax paid. I would recommend only paying the sales tax in the state the vehicle is registered in and you should be able to accomplish this with any new vehicle being purchased from a dealership.

07 SHELBY
11-06-2006, 07:33 AM
I am a little surprised guys, I live in Chicago and while temperatures have dropped I am not ready to put her away. It might be that I only have had mine for a very brief period of time but my way of looking at it is to take the car out during nice days and once that the first snowfall comes along the dreaded salt comes with it and that is when I will put mine away. I dont ever want my baby to be near that salt but I dont see nothing wrong with taking a little cruise during cold weather after all the cars do have a heater. Just my two cents.



Here in Michigan we have already had snow.Not a lot but this car is not good in cold weather with the stock tires.A couple of weeks ago it was in the high 40'sF and my Shelby was bouncing all over the place.I went to pass someone and when I shifted from 2nd to 3rd gear it went sideways.Not that I haven't done that before but I wasn't getting on it,it was because it was cold out and you get a lot of wheel hop.It's not worth the fendor bendor or worse.

Kronus01
11-06-2006, 08:48 AM
I agree with you 07, the car prefers warmer weather and while taking her out is hard not to hit the gas. I dont want my car to see snow but considering I got my car about a week and a half ago I still want a couple more rides with her before she is done for the season.

Aldy
11-06-2006, 09:19 AM
Regarding the sales tax issue, all I can relate to is my own experience. I live in Minnesota but bought the car in Iowa. The Iowa dealer did not charge me any sales tax on the vehicle. However, when I registered the vehicle in MN I was then required to pay sales tax based on MN rates. I'm sure other states have different rules but it doesn't make any sense to me that you would be required to pay sales tax twice if you bought the car in a different state than where you reside.

07 SHELBY
11-06-2006, 09:35 AM
Regarding the sales tax issue, all I can relate to is my own experience. I live in Minnesota but bought the car in Iowa. The Iowa dealer did not charge me any sales tax on the vehicle. However, when I registered the vehicle in MN I was then required to pay sales tax based on MN rates. I'm sure other states have different rules but it doesn't make any sense to me that you would be required to pay sales tax twice if you bought the car in a different state than where you reside.

I don't think you will have to pay sales tax twice.I have bought many cars in Ohio but only paid taxes in Michigan,where I live.

FormerGmc
11-06-2006, 11:43 AM
I don't think you will have to pay sales tax twice.I have bought many cars in Ohio but only paid taxes in Michigan,where I live.

You don't pay sales tax twice in California, you pay the difference between the rate in the state you bought in and the rate in California, if you paid tax in another state.

In my case, the Ohio dealer did not charge any sales tax at all cuz he knew I was going to register the car in California as a new vehicle.

In the case of my truck purchased in Nevada, I paid sales tax in Nevada and the difference between the Nevada and the California rates when registering in California.

Cobra007
11-06-2006, 08:53 PM
I just went through this about three weeks ago. Purchased the car in Alabama and had it shipped out to San Diego. Because the Ford corporation does business in California the dealer is required to charge you the base tax rate in CA which is 6.25%. In San Diego County the rate is actually 7.75% so once the car arrived I had to: 1) pay the difference in sales tax (make sure the dealer you purchase the vehicle from gives you a Sales Tax Transition form showing that you paid the 6.25% CA tax) 2) Get the car smog checked (about $90) 3) pay the annual registration fee (about 1% of Blue book value which is MSRP in this case) and 4) pay a $19.00 vehicle import to CA paperwork fee. That's it. It took me about 45 minutes and I left the DMV with plates in my hand. Once you get the vehicle, get it smog checked BEFORE you go to DMV. You will need to take the Shelby to the DMV as you have to have the vehicle 'certified' meaning they check the VIN, GVWR, and under hood 50 states smog label. I hope this helps.

shlbysvt
11-07-2006, 05:50 AM
I just went through this about three weeks ago. Purchased the car in Alabama and had it shipped out to San Diego. Because the Ford corporation does business in California the dealer is required to charge you the base tax rate in CA which is 6.25%. In San Diego County the rate is actually 7.75% so once the car arrived I had to: 1) pay the difference in sales tax (make sure the dealer you purchase the vehicle from gives you a Sales Tax Transition form showing that you paid the 6.25% CA tax) 2) Get the car smog checked (about $90) 3) pay the annual registration fee (about 1% of Blue book value which is MSRP in this case) and 4) pay a $19.00 vehicle import to CA paperwork fee. That's it. It took me about 45 minutes and I left the DMV with plates in my hand. Once you get the vehicle, get it smog checked BEFORE you go to DMV. You will need to take the Shelby to the DMV as you have to have the vehicle 'certified' meaning they check the VIN, GVWR, and under hood 50 states smog label. I hope this helps.

This was a transaction which took place within the same state therefore they are required to collect the sales tax in that county at point of sale. If this car was to be registered in another state, such as New York, then California sales tax would not have to be paid but New York sales tax would be paid at point of registration.

HorseTraderDave
11-07-2006, 07:58 PM
I live in California and am looking to buy a new 2007 Shelby. The best price I can find is out of state. I found one I want but I am concerned about the emissions. According to the order guide, California cars need to be ordered with the California Emission System (Code 422). Because this is not a California car, this option was not ordered. In researching this, I found that the emission sticker under the hood (attached) apprears to say the the car I am considering buying would be legal in California. Can anyone give me some insight on this ? Thanks


Let me start by saying I'm no expert on this...but here are a few things to consider. I know of a guy in CA that bought a car from an Indiana dealer. He had the same question, but he was able to order the code 422. I believe that adding this "option" or "code" does not add any additional hardware or software...which is the same way as saying "the GT500 is 50-state legal". However, the "Option" has something to do with certification requirements. I'm sure your motor vehicle location can give you more details.


Good luck.

Dave

07 SHELBY
11-08-2006, 11:54 AM
I live in California and am looking to buy a new 2007 Shelby. The best price I can find is out of state. I found one I want but I am concerned about the emissions. According to the order guide, California cars need to be ordered with the California Emission System (Code 422). Because this is not a California car, this option was not ordered. In researching this, I found that the emission sticker under the hood (attached) apprears to say the the car I am considering buying would be legal in California. Can anyone give me some insight on this ? Thanks



GMM,
I have been thinking about this and it was bothering me so I asked the factory rep.He told me that yes it is warranted in all 50 states but states like California,Arizonia and Mass. are green states and that they have a longer warranty on certain emissions.California also has a law that says you have to order Code 422.They might give you a hard time when you register it or when and if you try to sell it at the DMV.I was told to tell you that you should check with the DMV on this matter.Just so you know with any car ordered in any state you can order the Code 422 in advance.I hope this helps..........................07................. ............................

FormerGmc
11-08-2006, 03:12 PM
GMM,
I have been thinking about this and it was bothering me so I asked the factory rep.He told me that yes it is warranted in all 50 states but states like California,Arizonia and Mass. are green states and that they have a longer warranty on certain emissions.California also has a law that says you have to order Code 422.They might give you a hard time when you register it or when and if you try to sell it at the DMV.I was told to tell you that you should check with the DMV on this matter.Just so you know with any car ordered in any state you can order the Code 422 in advance.I hope this helps..........................07................. ............................

The car is 50 state certified. They will make you smog test it, pay your fees and register it for you. The rules are very specific.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr29.htm

shlbysvt
11-08-2006, 03:21 PM
The car is 50 state certified. They will make you smog test it, pay your fees and register it for you. The rules are very specific.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr29.htm

I believe 07 is correct the code 422 on a new vehicle should accomodate those wacky states.:o What ever happend to just the PCV valve as all we needed. Guess it didn't too much?:D I'm beginning to show my age. I used to enjoy standing behind a bus and smell the fumes of leaded gasoline and all the rest. Right!!!!! Just take a trip to Mexico and I guess we will all see what we are missing.:D

07 SHELBY
11-08-2006, 04:26 PM
The car is 50 state certified. They will make you smog test it, pay your fees and register it for you. The rules are very specific.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr29.htm



Thanks,just trying to help.

FormerGmc
11-08-2006, 09:10 PM
Thanks,just trying to help.


We all are!:)

GMM
11-09-2006, 04:26 AM
Thanks everyone for the feedback. Based on what I have been able to find out along with Mustang514 getting his out of state Shelby registered in Modesto, I think I am good to go. At this point I there is no turning back. My new Shelby is on a covered transport in Indiana on the way to Northern California. Estimated delivery date is 11/20. Cant wait ! It is Performance White with Blue Stipes and all the upgrades.:D

FormerGmc
11-09-2006, 10:58 PM
Good color choice!

ggbiw
03-22-2007, 09:42 AM
Thanks everyone for the feedback. Based on what I have been able to find out along with Mustang514 getting his out of state Shelby registered in Modesto, I think I am good to go. At this point I there is no turning back. My new Shelby is on a covered transport in Indiana on the way to Northern California. Estimated delivery date is 11/20. Cant wait ! It is Performance White with Blue Stipes and all the upgrades.:D

Okay,So how did the california registration go? I'm a little paranoid buying an out of state GT500. GGBIW:confused: