It was brought to my attention at work today that someone has complained about me giving out info on their VIN's.It is very sad that somebody has stooped this low.I am not sure what their agenda is and at this point I don't care.I am not going to lose my job over this.I was asked to stop and stop I will.I would like to say I really enjoyed helping people out.I know how exciting it is to get info.The people I did help I am glad I did.I cannot give any more info on VIN's,I am sorry to all the new people.I will still be here and will try to answer any questions that won't get me in any trouble.There is a good group of people here and it is a shame it has come to this.Please do not ask for any VIN info for I will not answer you....................07......................... ...

07,

I can appreciate the dilema you are in and would like to thank you for all the great vin information you have provided to me and others on this site. First and foremost is your position with the company and if that is what they are requesting you do then that is what your must do. Things at Ford are obviously quite tense and rock the boat is something you obviously must avoid. Vins are out but I know you will provide what good information will benefit us on future events. Thanks once again and I am sure I speak for many!;)

well 07 thanks a lot for doing what you did while you could, it is greatly appreciated.

It was brought to my attention at work today that someone has complained about me giving out info on their VIN's.It is very sad that somebody has stooped this low.I am not sure what their agenda is and at this point I don't care.I am not going to lose my job over this.I was asked to stop and stop I will.I would like to say I really enjoyed helping people out.I know how exciting it is to get info.The people I did help I am glad I did.I cannot give any more info on VIN's,I am sorry to all the new people.I will still be here and will try to answer any questions that won't get me in any trouble.There is a good group of people here and it is a shame it has come to this.Please do not ask for any VIN info for I will not answer you....................07......................... ...

This breaks my heart man but I appreciate all you've done. I guess now we have to bug someone else. Thanks for putting up with us.

Good grief. That completely sucks. Some d!@&head with a petty agenda goes and ruins it all for the rest of us. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Even though you never got to track my Shelby, I really appreciate everything you have done for all of us.

07,

Thanks for all your help. The time and information you've provided here has helped to make this forum as great as it is. :)

07,
You are an outstanding individual. Don't jeopardize or compromise your life for us. Do you think that we could influence your boss by just showing him the responses you get on this forum? Has he ever looked at this forum to see the service that you have provided to some of Fords most loyal customers?


Anyway, I hope you will continue to be our moderator and know that you will make all our lives more enjoyable by doing so.

07,
You are an outstanding individual. Don't jeopardize or compromise your life for us. Do you think that we could influence your boss by just showing him the responses you get on this forum? Has he ever looked at this forum to see the service that you have provided to some of Fords most loyal customers?


Anyway, I hope you will continue to be our moderator and know that you will make all our lives more enjoyable by doing so.

Tom,

I am pretty sure 07's complaint did not come through his boss. His boss is a great guy! He may have heard it from him I guess, but I am sure he hated to deliver the news if that is the case!

I do think that it would be good for whoever the Ford guy is that is upset to see our posts and know how important 07's information has been to us. 07 has been a pretty good ambassador for Ford in my opinion! If you base your opinion of Ford on 07 SHELBY's communications, you have to develop a pretty high opinion of Ford! I can't say that for most of the other folks. They were certainly congenial, but didn't have much to offer in the way of useful information, at least in my case.

I don't understand what the harm is in someone telling us this information as it unfolds anyway! I know what 07's information meant to me through my process and I hate it that other guys coming along are going to miss out on that opportunity. But, someone got angry enough at the guys on this forum to throw a wrench in the works and ruin it for everyone! That was a mean and despicable act!

So, we still have information we can share and personal experiences that we can relate to each other that will help us find our way through the agony of the dreaded "WAIT"! Just remember, after you get it, you won't even recall how long the wait was! It is well worth the wait!

AND, we still have 07 SHELBY who has all this fantastic knowledge about the car and how it is put together and all he has ever wanted to do is help us out. I don't think he will stop helping, he just has to stay within the speed limit now!

Tom,

07 has been a pretty good ambassador for Ford in my opinion! If you base your opinion of Ford on 07 SHELBY's communications, you have to develop a pretty high opinion of Ford! I can't say that for most of the other folks. They were certainly congenial, but didn't have much to offer in the way of useful information, at least in my case.


+1,000
If Ford modeled their customer service strategy anywhere close to the help we've gotten from 07, a large part of their problem would be solved.

Tom,

I am pretty sure 07's complaint did not come through his boss. His boss is a great guy! He may have heard it from him I guess, but I am sure he hated to deliver the news if that is the case!

I do think that it would be good for whoever the Ford guy is that is upset to see our posts and know how important 07's information has been to us. 07 has been a pretty good ambassador for Ford in my opinion! If you base your opinion of Ford on 07 SHELBY's communications, you have to develop a pretty high opinion of Ford! I can't say that for most of the other folks. They were certainly congenial, but didn't have much to offer in the way of useful information, at least in my case.

I don't understand what the harm is in someone telling us this information as it unfolds anyway! I know what 07's information meant to me through my process and I hate it that other guys coming along are going to miss out on that opportunity. But, someone got angry enough at the guys on this forum to throw a wrench in the works and ruin it for everyone! That was a mean and despicable act!

So, we still have information we can share and personal experiences that we can relate to each other that will help us find our way through the agony of the dreaded "WAIT"! Just remember, after you get it, you won't even recall how long the wait was! It is well worth the wait!

AND, we still have 07 SHELBY who has all this fantastic knowledge about the car and how it is put together and all he has ever wanted to do is help us out. I don't think he will stop helping, he just has to stay within the speed limit now!

oldimp, Could not have said it better. 07 was the only one within Ford who told it like it was. He was the only contact I had I really trusted. My other contacts were so full of Shxx when issues arose on my cars.

I could take a pretty good guess as to who caused the problem but will keep it to myself.

I am going to start a new post about issues on my Convertible. Looks like I may have to be calling my attorney soon. It does not appear FORD is interested in helping me out so the next step may be needed. The very So dreaded thing you hope would never happen happened.

Well another good thing just got F#@$ up. A shame for those waiting.. I must say for those that know or don't know. How exciting it was to log on and either have a PM or just a post that you had your VIN or within the 10 steps of getting a Shelby you were at step 3 or 6. It was just exciting. For those of us that lived it we won't forget it... I am a big Believer of what goes around comes around.. I have see it many times in my life... so someday it will come around and that person hopefully will remember why it is happening to him !

Gee I wonder who may have complained?? Think it could be related to the post a few days back??? Wouldn't surprise me if it was. Anyway, what goes around comes around. usually a little worse:cool:
CW

I'll let everyone know when I get my car. dealer called and told me ETA was the 28th?

07 Shelby I can't believe what I'm reading. With all the good you have done for so many along comes a MAJOR A--hole and screws it up for everyone. Not only people in the past but I know how many in the future you were going to help. It totally P----s me off. As Busababy says what goes around comes around and when it does I hope his is TEN fold. I did want to pass along a bit of good news, a new White and Blue Shelby was delivered to Windsor today. Unfortunately it wasn't mine but it makes mine next so I may get a couple of miles on it before that white stuff is here to stay.
07 thanks for all your help you are a true gentleman, Take care Mustangnut

To Anyone Who Can Answer:
Does anyone know if you do the stripe delete on the coupe do you get an adjustment to the price since it is an option and it doesn't cost extra if you keep the stripes? Thanks!

To Anyone Who Can Answer:
Does anyone know if you do the stripe delete on the coupe do you get an adjustment to the price since it is an option and it doesn't cost extra if you keep the stripes? Thanks!

You can do the upper stripe delete or both stripes delete. it does NOT change the pricing on car one iota

The stripes are not an OPTIOn but standard. The delete stripes is an option but no refund

Let me ask another question.

Since there is so much complaints about the stripe quality, is it possible to get the stripe delete but have the stripe kit placed in the truck so a real quality shop can install them?

I understand they do sell the stripe kit separately, so therefore as the strpes arestandard on the car, why not let us just have the kit.

Anyone able to answer this?

Let me ask another question.

Since there is so much complaints about the stripe quality, is it possible to get the stripe delete but have the stripe kit placed in the truck so a real quality shop can install them?

I understand they do sell the stripe kit separately, so therefore as the strpes arestandard on the car, why not let us just have the kit.

Anyone able to answer this?

The answer is no, but you could try THIS:

I had the stipes installed. I bitched about them. Ford was supposed to send a couple of panels for replacement, but sent the entire kit. The dealer gave it to me. My stripes are all removed now and painted, but I will have the entire kit, sans the two panels they used, for future purposes.

Not the best way to do it.

The problem is only partially the installation. The installation sucks, but so does the product. They are cut incorrectly. They are not even close to the proper cuts. What they SHOULD have done was allowed the computer to read the curves on the car and create the (obviously) same curves for the vinyl. They didn't. They used standard, "square" strips of product and made goofy cuts and overlaps to make square pegs fit round holes.

Do yourself a favor. Unless you're buyng this thing thinking it's gonna be worth a mint in stock, factory condition someday, buy with the stripe delete and have them painted on. The stripe delete will save you 300-400 bucks in removal charges alone. Any excellent custom painter can replicate the look.

Expect to pay 2500-5000 for an outstanding job. That's taking off every painted part, removing the clearcoat, painting the stripes, and re-clearcoating while trying to replicate the orange peel that is on absolutely every Mustang. Don't let anyone BS you and tell you there car doesn't have it. If they say that, they don't know what they're looking at/for. EVERY Mustang has it, some more than others. It's due to variances in the pressures when applying clearcoat. It is rarely in the base color. The upside to orange peel is that it is refractive and allows for more shimmer in your color. The problem with flat-sanded, multi-cleared, perfect paint is that it shows absolutely every minute scratch. Look at a 7 series black BMW someday and you'll see.

Hope this helps.

bj

Let me ask another question.

Since there is so much complaints about the stripe quality, is it possible to get the stripe delete but have the stripe kit placed in the truck so a real quality shop can install them?

I understand they do sell the stripe kit separately, so therefore as the strpes arestandard on the car, why not let us just have the kit.

Anyone able to answer this?


My stripes came nearly perfect, maybe just depends on whose doing them.
I do alot of stripes and decals on semi trailers at my business and the stripes on the GT500 appear to be a very hard type to put on, not sure, but some can be a bear.

GT500Convert;
Thanks for the reply. I really didn't think they would give anything back!

The answer is no, but you could try THIS:

I had the stipes installed. I bitched about them. Ford was supposed to send a couple of panels for replacement, but sent the entire kit. The dealer gave it to me. My stripes are all removed now and painted, but I will have the entire kit, sans the two panels they used, for future purposes.

Not the best way to do it.

The problem is only partially the installation. The installation sucks, but so does the product. They are cut incorrectly. They are not even close to the proper cuts. What they SHOULD have done was allowed the computer to read the curves on the car and create the (obviously) same curves for the vinyl. They didn't. They used standard, "square" strips of product and made goofy cuts and overlaps to make square pegs fit round holes.

Do yourself a favor. Unless you're buyng this thing thinking it's gonna be worth a mint in stock, factory condition someday, buy with the stripe delete and have them painted on. The stripe delete will save you 300-400 bucks in removal charges alone. Any excellent custom painter can replicate the look.

Expect to pay 2500-5000 for an outstanding job. That's taking off every painted part, removing the clearcoat, painting the stripes, and re-clearcoating while trying to replicate the orange peel that is on absolutely every Mustang. Don't let anyone BS you and tell you there car doesn't have it. If they say that, they don't know what they're looking at/for. EVERY Mustang has it, some more than others. It's due to variances in the pressures when applying clearcoat. It is rarely in the base color. The upside to orange peel is that it is refractive and allows for more shimmer in your color. The problem with flat-sanded, multi-cleared, perfect paint is that it shows absolutely every minute scratch. Look at a 7 series black BMW someday and you'll see.

Hope this helps.

bj

Orange peel is caused by one thing.... paint not flowing properly. There are various causes for that but basically thats it. And yes the base coat can and usually does have it just as much as clear coat, its just that its under the clear and you cant tell. Before they started clear coating cars orange peel was the norm in new autos. Variances in pressure is just one reason for orange peel and thats because the paint might not be atomizing right and so it wont flow good, causing orange peel. Paints mixed at different viscosities need different pressures to atomize correctly. We us about 50 gallons of polyurethane a day at my business and know that orange peel like flaws in a diamond actually cut down on the shimmer in the paint not enhance it.

Good job AC, this is my kind of post.
Being in the paint business for 28 years I can say many things can cause Orange Peel. Most shops spraying your car will use a HVLP Gun and not worry to much about the Orange Peel they get, some shops do better then others.. The plan is to wet sand it out later until it is as smooth as a babys butt. (some of you may not know how smooth that is ). You will get orange peel in the base coat if it is not applied right. Clear coats are made to build and protect the surface, and give you the high gloss required on todays cars. If the clear coat is not sanded down it to will have orange peel to some degree. The sand and buff process after the clear coat gives you the final gloss needed for a good job. Paint and equipment used back in 67 gave you the orange peel you see on cars of that time. That was the best they could do. Today the paint and equipment are far improved and will give you a much nicer finish then the 60s. A super high gloss finish requires a very flat no scratch surface. Anything other then that your sheen will go down due to light reflection off the surface. Thats the short of it.

I want to add that there are paint jobs put on cars that show no orange peel. Some shops perfer to leave some orange peel in the finish to cover up what has been done underneath. Go to a ISCA car show and look at some great paint jobs.

It was brought to my attention at work today that someone has complained about me giving out info on their VIN's.It is very sad that somebody has stooped this low.I am not sure what their agenda is and at this point I don't care.I am not going to lose my job over this.I was asked to stop and stop I will.I would like to say I really enjoyed helping people out.I know how exciting it is to get info.The people I did help I am glad I did.I cannot give any more info on VIN's,I am sorry to all the new people.I will still be here and will try to answer any questions that won't get me in any trouble.There is a good group of people here and it is a shame it has come to this.Please do not ask for any VIN info for I will not answer you....................07......................... ...
This is really the pits. :mad: 07's insight has been a blessing, (that Ford needs to find out about)(like they'd care), for all of the Ford Loyalists that are on this site. I'd rather hear about the delays, and why, than be lied to as we all have been by our dealers.
Ford recently announced layoffs as the result of sales slumps. Maybe they need to get rid of more than the man at the top, seems middle mgt @Ford really doesn't practice what they preach down to their dealers.
I want to Thank!!! 07 for the willingness to help settle our angst, and help us cope with our wait. You've been a true "Company Man" letting your customers know what the real scoop was. I believe the founder of the Company would be proud of the tradition of customer service that you've tried to maintain, despite the obstacles....:D I'm certainly a member of your FAN CLUB 07.

Nothing is worth your job, but really, you should be given a promotion, not be in fear of your job over your "Excellent Customer Service" We're with you 07 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe

Good Night Irene...........

11111

Good job AC, this is my kind of post.
Being in the paint business for 28 years I can say many things can cause Orange Peel. Most shops spraying your car will use a HVLP Gun and not worry to much about the Orange Peel they get, some shops do better then others.. The plan is to wet sand it out later until it is as smooth as a babys butt. (some of you may not know how smooth that is ). You will get orange peel in the base coat if it is not applied right. Clear coats are made to build and protect the surface, and give you the high gloss required on todays cars. If the clear coat is not sanded down it to will have orange peel to some degree. The sand and buff process after the clear coat gives you the final gloss needed for a good job. Paint and equipment used back in 67 gave you the orange peel you see on cars of that time. That was the best they could do. Today the paint and equipment are far improved and will give you a much nicer finish then the 60s. A super high gloss finish requires a very flat no scratch surface. Anything other then that your sheen will go down due to light reflection off the surface. Thats the short of it.

I completely agree. Perhaps you and AC missed the intent (or perhaps I didn't make myself clear). I'm not talking about a paint shop, but about the line at Ford (and others). Go stand on a line and tell me if the base or the clear is the one that generally has orange peel. Yes, there are reasons other than pressure, but pressure variances result from a number of causes. In the end, it's the most widely known problem on a line (not in your shop).

You underscore my point when you talk about the fact that the INTENT is to sand/buff/finish. How much of that do you think goes on at a plant? In a perfect world (or paint shop vs line) there would be additional, finishing steps.

Finally, as to orange peel in the clear not enhancing reflection/refraction....you may want to rethink that. The more imperfect a reflective surface, the greater number of individual (and much smaller) reflective surfaces. Don't believe it? Wad up a piece of aluminum foil. Open it up and lay it side by side with a perfectly flat one. Walk around them and see which has the more reflective properties.

Hey...that's it. Screw the paint, I'm using Reynolds Wrap on my car. It worked for DeLorean!!


bj

I completely agree. Perhaps you and AC missed the intent (or perhaps I didn't make myself clear). I'm not talking about a paint shop, but about the line at Ford (and others). Go stand on a line and tell me if the base or the clear is the one that generally has orange peel. Yes, there are reasons other than pressure, but pressure variances result from a number of causes. In the end, it's the most widely known problem on a line (not in your shop).

You underscore my point when you talk about the fact that the INTENT is to sand/buff/finish. How much of that do you think goes on at a plant? In a perfect world (or paint shop vs line) there would be additional, finishing steps.

Finally, as to orange peel in the clear not enhancing reflection/refraction....you may want to rethink that. The more imperfect a reflective surface, the greater number of individual (and much smaller) reflective surfaces. Don't believe it? Wad up a piece of aluminum foil. Open it up and lay it side by side with a perfectly flat one. Walk around them and see which has the more reflective properties.

Hey...that's it. Screw the paint, I'm using Reynolds Wrap on my car. It worked for DeLorean!!


bj
Dont think either of us were disputing that there is orange peel, just the part about orange peel making it shimmer more. And no it doesnt, (tin foil or not )
And DeLoreans had no orange peel. ;)
Check this out to see difference, kinda of extreme but same principle involved.http://www.glossycar.com/

I completely agree. Perhaps you and AC missed the intent (or perhaps I didn't make myself clear). I'm not talking about a paint shop, but about the line at Ford (and others). Go stand on a line and tell me if the base or the clear is the one that generally has orange peel. Yes, there are reasons other than pressure, but pressure variances result from a number of causes. In the end, it's the most widely known problem on a line (not in your shop).

You underscore my point when you talk about the fact that the INTENT is to sand/buff/finish. How much of that do you think goes on at a plant? In a perfect world (or paint shop vs line) there would be additional, finishing steps.

Finally, as to orange peel in the clear not enhancing reflection/refraction....you may want to rethink that. The more imperfect a reflective surface, the greater number of individual (and much smaller) reflective surfaces. Don't believe it? Wad up a piece of aluminum foil. Open it up and lay it side by side with a perfectly flat one. Walk around them and see which has the more reflective properties.

Hey...that's it. Screw the paint, I'm using Reynolds Wrap on my car. It worked for DeLorean!!


bj

I can see your point, but do not agree with all of it. Paint can be applied at very low pressures ( 10 psi or lower ),if the viscosity has been set to handle it, with no orange peel. Most paints are tested in the lab at 77 degrees and are set to flow at that temp. If the temp goes up or down you will have a need to change the settings or viscosity on the material. If your gun is set at the recommended air pressure and you hold it to close or to far away you will get orange peel. If you use the wrong tip you will get orange peel. If your paint line is going to fast or to slow you will get orange peel. All of the things I listed above can happen with the pressure set right at the gun. I agree most cars painted on a paint line have orange peel on them. But if the equipment and paint are set properly you can get a very nice non orange peel finish all day long. As I stated before you will have some plants desire the orange peel to cover sin underneath the finish.
You do state that pressure is the most widely cause of orange peel. Most shops will try to change that first to solve the problem but most likley it is the paint not the pressure( it's an easy fix.)
Last you state that a wad of aluminum foil will reflect more light. Again, You need to remember light reflects off of the highest point. A wad of aluminum will give you reflection but ony max reflection off the highest point. A flat piece of aluminum will reflect the same acress the whole piece ( even reflection for the eye). Same with a paint job. You will not see a winning paint job with orange peel in it.
Thanks for posting, school is out.:)

I can see your point, but do not agree with all of it. Paint can be applied at very low pressures ( 10 psi or lower ),if the viscosity has been set to handle it, with no orange peel. Most paints are tested in the lab at 77 degrees and are set to flow at that temp. If the temp goes up or down you will have a need to change the settings or viscosity on the material. If your gun is set at the recommended air pressure and you hold it to close or to far away you will get orange peel. If you use the wrong tip you will get orange peel. If your paint line is going to fast or to slow you will get orange peel. All of the things I listed above can happen with the pressure set right at the gun. I agree most cars painted on a paint line have orange peel on them. But if the equipment and paint are set properly you can get a very nice non orange peel finish all day long. As I stated before you will have some plants desire the orange peel to cover sin underneath the finish.
You do state that pressure is the most widely cause of orange peel. Most shops will try to change that first to solve the problem but most likley it is the paint not the pressure( it's an easy fix.)
Last you state that a wad of aluminum foil will reflect more light. Again, You need to remember light reflects off of the highest point. A wad of aluminum will give you reflection but ony max reflection off the highest point. A flat piece of aluminum will reflect the same acress the whole piece ( even reflection for the eye). Same with a paint job. You will not see a winning paint job with orange peel in it.
Thanks for posting, school is out.:)