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: GT500 Intake testing: K&N vs JLT vs Ford Racing


Justin@VMP
11-16-2007, 07:34 AM
There has been a lot of speculation on the forums as to how these intakes perform. I've used the K&N, Steeda, and JLT in the past and felt that they were all very comparable. With the release of the new Ford Racing Intake I figured it would be a good time to develop a tune for the FR intake and do some head to head testing on my personal GT500.

All testing was done with a 2.6" upper blower pulley, 11.7:1 a/f (red dashed reference line on graphs) and 24* of delivered timing on 93 octane fuel. Post intercooler air temps consistently started at 95-100F and finished around 110F, below the threshold in my tune where timing is modified (which prevents timing from becoming a testing variable).

All testing was done the same afternoon with an average of 15 minutes between pulls to allow for proper cool down. Ambient conditions were 80-85F and about 5F warmer in the shop. Humidity was low for Florida. These are mediocore conditions, not terrible like some of the 90-95F days we were having a few months ago, but not great like the 60F days the guys in the north are getting. Hence the power numbers in the high 530s, once we have another cold front come through I'll see numbers in the 540s-550s. Also, my STB was removed for easier removal and installation of intakes.

I tested the JLT intake with and without the carbon fiber tube. The differences in power were negligible on my car with the 2.6 pulley.

http://vmptuning.com/GT500/s1jltgraphs.jpg

http://vmptuning.com/GT500/s1jltpic.jpg
http://vmptuning.com/GT500/s1jltpic2.jpg

I also did the same test a few months ago on a customers car with the stock pulley, but wanted to get some data from a pullied car before I posted. I saw the same negligible difference.

http://vmptuning.com/GT500/s1kathy.jpg

Now of course, on a car with an aftermarket blower, the factory rubber tune from the TB to MAF *might* start to be a restriction, but in the case of a stock blower it is not a restriction. The Ford Racing intake results below will also back that up.

You will notice that some of these numbers vary by 1-2RWHP, that is an extremely small amount for a 500+RWHP car, about two tenths of a percent or .2%.

Next, I compared the KN intake. The KN fits well and performs just as well as any other intake, when properly tuned for. Do not run it without a tune (see my other post about the KN intake). I've been running the KN on my car for several months. I also compared the new Ford Racing Intake, it fits extremely well and re-uses the factory rubber tube. The FR intake is 105mm around the MAF and uses a large velocity stack type inlet near the filter. It's made of very thick plastic that won't distort from heat. Their heat shield is quite unique, in the sense that it really isolates the filter from engine bay heat better than anything else out there. It’s a full tray that goes under the filter and attaches using two factory bolts.

You can see from the graph below that all three intakes (four if you count the JLT half vs full) made pretty much the same amount of power. This goes a long with what I've always said, stock blower cars don't really need a ton of air. I like the factory rubber tube because it fits under the STB well and allows for some engine movement.

Head to head dyno comparison:
http://vmptuning.com/GT500/s1dynos.jpg

KN intake pic:
http://vmptuning.com/GT500/s1kn.jpg

Ford Racing intake pic:
http://vmptuning.com/GT500/s1fr.jpg

Later this week I'll be testing a C&L intake, as well as a throttle body.

X STI C
11-16-2007, 11:09 AM
Great write up! Its nice when guys take the time to test intakes etc. I like the JLT Carbon fiber intake the best, mainly for its BLING factor.

P.S. Could Ford manufacture an uglier intake???

rpretzel
11-16-2007, 11:32 AM
Great write up! Its nice when guys take the time to test intakes etc. I like the JLT Carbon fiber intake the best, mainly for its BLING factor.

P.S. Could Ford manufacture an uglier intake???

+1

Me likey the bling-bling. :D

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd144/rpretzel/100_1355.jpg

Orf
11-16-2007, 12:03 PM
+1

Me likey the bling-bling. :D

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd144/rpretzel/100_1355.jpg

I think you may have a mold issue. Your filter material turned blue. :cool:

oldimp
11-16-2007, 12:23 PM
I think you may have a mold issue. Your filter material turned blue. :cool:

Oh, yeah! I like that blue filter, too! Mold and all!

6-Speed
11-16-2007, 07:19 PM
Is all testing done with the same tune installed or did you optimize each tune to the CAI kit?

Or were these CAIs paired with the tune that comes with the kit?

oldimp
11-16-2007, 08:28 PM
Mine was delivered with the CAI (C&L).

Justin@VMP
11-17-2007, 10:47 AM
Is all testing done with the same tune installed or did you optimize each tune to the CAI kit?

Or were these CAIs paired with the tune that comes with the kit?

Each CAI kit requires a vastly different mass-air transfer function (the part of the tune that controls fueling), so I optimized that for each intake.

2008Shelby
11-17-2007, 10:52 AM
Justin, how close are you to testing the C&L?

6-Speed
11-17-2007, 09:21 PM
Each CAI kit requires a vastly different mass-air transfer function (the part of the tune that controls fueling), so I optimized that for each intake.
So these are tunes that you developed for each of the CAIs, which means you have a FRPP CAI tune that will make 536 RWHP.

When will the FRPP tune be available for sale?

Grabber
11-18-2007, 08:16 AM
Me likey my bling too. I am very happy with the JLT Stage I kit. Down the road a bit I might do stage 2, but I am saving that for a future mod to look forward too.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x53/Grabrrr/My%20GT500%20Mods/JLTMotorcraftoil012.jpg
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x53/Grabrrr/My%20GT500%20Mods/JLTMotorcraftoil011.jpg

2008Shelby
11-18-2007, 12:38 PM
Rob, you should dye your air filter "Sunshine Orange" or "Golden Yellow". Those of us that have dyed them blue are very happy with the results. :D

Tucker
11-18-2007, 02:15 PM
So these are tunes that you developed for each of the CAIs, which means you have a FRPP CAI tune that will make 536 RWHP.

When will the FRPP tune be available for sale?

Remember this car has a 2.6 pulley as well.

Joe G
11-19-2007, 12:50 AM
Rob, you should dye your air filter "Sunshine Orange" or "Golden Yellow". Those of us that have dyed them blue are very happy with the results. :D

I second that!!

Come on Grabby... you need a pumpkin colored filter to go with your Pumpkin colored car (and punkin undies!!)!

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x53/Grabrrr/Misc%20Photos/Misc008.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x53/Grabrrr/Misc%20Photos/lol.gif

2008Shelby
11-19-2007, 09:10 AM
I second that!!

Come on Grabby... you need a pumpkin colored filter to go with your Pumpkin colored car (and punkin undies!!)!

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x53/Grabrrr/Misc%20Photos/Misc008.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x53/Grabrrr/Misc%20Photos/lol.gif

:eek: :o :D

shelbygot2
11-19-2007, 04:20 PM
Are you sure thats not a car cover?:D

ILLEGAL
11-21-2007, 07:57 PM
Are you sure thats not a car cover?:D

Or at least a tire cover. If that had been a real pumpkin it might have won state records.

ILLEGAL

SN8KBYT
11-21-2007, 08:36 PM
Well we know for sure it's not a bra...

Doug-GT500
11-21-2007, 10:43 PM
Its amazing what Joe can pull out from his cupboard. Mabye he should DHL it to Grabber. :)

Grabber
11-21-2007, 10:47 PM
I second that!!

Come on Grabby... you need a pumpkin colored filter to go with your Pumpkin colored car (and punkin undies!!)!

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x53/Grabrrr/Misc%20Photos/Misc008.jpg

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x53/Grabrrr/Misc%20Photos/lol.gif

Pipe down Joe or......http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x53/Grabrrr/Animated%20stuff/ban_key.gif :)

Doug-GT500
11-22-2007, 02:59 AM
Hi Justin@VMP

Do you have a tune for stock GT500 keeping the stock airbox?

Wonder how much additional power you get, keeping it within safe tolerence for 92 octane.

Also, if I go for this, do I need to flash back to stock when I send the car to the dealership?

I am trying to keep stock airbox as I bought the Ford ESP maintainence package. So the air filter element is free for me at service time.

BTW, happy thanksgiving to all of you!

busababy
11-22-2007, 08:38 PM
Does anyone know can you purchase the Ford Heat Shield without buying the kit, I have the JLT kit and in my opinion I think it looks the best but would love to have a better heat shield.

Joe G
11-22-2007, 09:23 PM
Pipe down Joe or......http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x53/Grabrrr/Animated%20stuff/ban_key.gif :)

You have no power over me here orange boy!

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

:D

Justin@VMP
01-29-2008, 07:23 AM
Does anyone know can you purchase the Ford Heat Shield without buying the kit, I have the JLT kit and in my opinion I think it looks the best but would love to have a better heat shield.

I am working on getting the ford stuff separately.

Justin@VMP
01-29-2008, 07:24 AM
Hi Justin@VMP

Do you have a tune for stock GT500 keeping the stock airbox?

Wonder how much additional power you get, keeping it within safe tolerence for 92 octane.

Also, if I go for this, do I need to flash back to stock when I send the car to the dealership?

I am trying to keep stock airbox as I bought the Ford ESP maintainence package. So the air filter element is free for me at service time.

BTW, happy thanksgiving to all of you!

Hey Doug, sorry I missed this old thread. I've got a really good tune for the stock intake. In factory form the GT500s run very rich, I've spent a lot of time tuning and dynoing GT500s with stock intakes and getting a good MAF transfer function (part that controls A/F ratio) for my mail order customers with stock intakes.

Justin@VMP
01-29-2008, 07:59 AM
I finally finished doing thorough testing of the JLT & C&L Intakes, in this thread:

http://www.fordgt500.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19520#post19520